the Mercator yes
the Robinson no I don’t know to do it in illustrator
you have to warp a curve shape
This is easy. Your just click and flip over the north American continent and drag it over to the right side. If the image wont allow this then you import only the north American continent from your other file, or as a last resort add a second file (double it up and patch together)
I think we both should work on this map and i cant get into a crash course on Illustrator, but you just do what you can
First we need to decide on the starting profile. I see no problems with the one i edited, but if you can find another that has equal or greater detail then lets use that.
The projection CAN in fact have a pronounced European land mass, especially the projections that have Europe as centralized and show it as a roundish map of the world.
@Imperious:
the Mercator yes
the Robinson no I don’t know to do it in illustrator
you have to warp a curve shapeThis is easy. Your just click and flip over the north American continent and drag it over to the right side. If the image wont allow this then you import only the north American continent from your other file, or as a last resort add a second file (double it up and patch together)
I don’t get what you mean
if you flip over North America vertically, Alaska and Soviet Far East are no longer neighbours
I think we both should work on this map and i cant get into a crash course on Illustrator, but you just do what you can
do you know actually understand what I was talking about?
the map only has land borders between countries, and continent lines
it has no shapes for individual nations
so there are lots of untidy manual work to be done to create the territories
(unless you know a way to do it)
First we need to decide on the starting profile. I see no problems with the one i edited, but if you can find another that has equal or greater detail then lets use that.
what do you mean starting profile?
like the starting base map?
no your map has greater details
I’ve already said that
The projection CAN in fact have a pronounced European land mass, especially the projections that have Europe as centralized and show it as a roundish map of the world.
it makes Europe appear bigger than other continents
but no it doesn’t make it bigger
it only makes the other countries smaller
because the equator is rarely distorted
what matter is the % of whole map width that is Europe
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the Mercator yes
the Robinson no I don’t know to do it in illustrator
you have to warp a curve shape
This is easy. Your just click and flip over the north American continent and drag it over to the right side. If the image wont allow this then you import only the north American continent from your other file, or as a last resort add a second file (double it up and patch together)
I don’t get what you mean
if you flip over North America vertically, Alaska and Soviet Far East are no longer neighbours
IN Illustrator you can easily change the facing of anything. touch any side of any picture and you can drag it with the pen in any distorted shape or make it face the opposite side.
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I think we both should work on this map and i cant get into a crash course on Illustrator, but you just do what you can
do you know actually understand what I was talking about?
the map only has land borders between countries, and continent lines
it has no shapes for individual nations
so there are lots of untidy manual work to be done to create the territories
(unless you know a way to do it)
Then i guess we don’t use it. Lets just work on something in your skill level and use the first maps you got. I can do this but YES its alot of work.
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First we need to decide on the starting profile. I see no problems with the one i edited, but if you can find another that has equal or greater detail then lets use that.
what do you mean starting profile?
like the starting base map?
no your map has greater details
I’ve already said that
Yes its better, but its a more involved job to process it to what we need. For simplicity sake lets use the first map you came up with unless you have another that is better. The last map you provided had far less detail.
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The projection CAN in fact have a pronounced European land mass, especially the projections that have Europe as centralized and show it as a roundish map of the world.
it makes Europe appear bigger than other continents
but no it doesn’t make it bigger
it only makes the other countries smallerbecause the equator is rarely distorted
what matter is the % of whole map width that is Europe
Yes right. % of Europe, but i am saying their are maps that focus on Europe and distort the sides in a manner where they look truncated because the globe is representing a round object. IN this sence the map makes Europe larger.
I still don’t understand
basically North America is curved to the left
if you want it to curve to the right, is there a way to do it properly?
yes its much work to draw all the territories and the results won’t be neat
so lets use a map with nation shapes
oh, the last map should have the same level of detail as the “real map” project though
I made it with same free vector map
this is the base map
http://www.freemap.jp/world/img/ga_worldmap_1/1.zip
agressive enlarging of Europe
I’ve stretched Europe like revised
but the split is not at Middle East but Eastern Africa
(yet to stitch it back together with Asia)
both Soviet Far East and Alaska were shrunk further, Ocean shrunk further, America shrunk further
it generates a comparison figure of 36cm
or maybe we just need to find a Mercator map with nation shapes
(ie. my map is Miller with nation shapes, Mercator has Europe more stretched North-South wise)
this is getting a little sad
it seems a playable axis and allies map must be so distorted that it’ll be hard to draw realistic sea zones
Were air raids against convoy shipping as successfully as submarine raids?
If so is it significant enough for us to introduce a model?
Air was used to aid subs in recon to send them where they needed to go. It was indispensable for Germany which used the Condor class plane along with other long range recon aircraft. Carriers and their planes were used as escorts for convoy protection and ASW interception. Hitler used land based aircraft to escort the Bismarck as it limped home and in operations in Norway to harras Allied landings.
So they were not used in a significant way as a threat similar to submarines. They were used in support of other duties. Thus they don’t warrant special treatment
The U.S. used civilian aircraft to spot german u-boats off our east coast. often these aircraft were armed and are credited with sinking two subs. Perhaps there should be some advantage if subs are used in conjunction with aircraft.
Ok then probably not significant enough to call for another AARHE rule.
Yemble, does a realistic AARHE map excite you?
Imperious, I still have an answered post.
I dont like that map in reply #277. its not a realistic map. In fact is marginally worse than the one i created.
I still prefer the one i posted. Its tweeked a bit but it still looks like your “realistic map” Europa is larger but not to the point where the map looks stupid.
Oh, you continued working on it.
The more you work on this file the more you don’t want to go back. :wink:
Please. Hold on.
We should have the base file sorted out first.
That file is not suitable.
It has no layers.
And Europe is too small.
Europe needs to be big enough at 70x33", not 96x48". Right?
96x48" is huge even compared to The War Game.
I only fixed the sea zones and added some text. That can easily be changed.
Its not possible to have a realistic map ans also to have a huge Europe map. The only thing you can do is make minor tweeks ans reduce North and South America. If you do more than that it looks like the map we already have ( AARHE 1939)
I suppose i can work on that map and redraw South America and or Middle east, but its not the purpose of this new directive which is namely to make a realistic map.
here is the set up file to work from for 1939 AARHE
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmxndxjvt0u
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=z4aismgjqyt
also here is the set up file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bmzlyvw37yz
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=iym5wbmjzx9
I think you will need to add some text thats similar in each case to what we have under the PDF’s that are still around.
Id also add the starting IPC values along with the name of the nation is some nice script ( font)
ok so we are going for realistic map
in that case we better keep supporting the current “roomy” versions then
I have a new candidate base file
*bigger Europe, no Africa/Middle East distorting
*preserved layers from the original map (so you can toggle modern world borders and have your shoreline art)
*also slightly enlarged UK and Japan
largest measure of Western Europe to Ukraine
your edit is 13.46" (34.2cm) @ 96"x48"
ie. 24.9cm @ 70"
this edit is 27.3cm @ 1782cmx840cm (70"x33")
ie. 37.4cm @ 96"
if its good then I add back in the better Islands, AARHE icons, layers, and stuff
and we have a base file done
then you go do the 1939 map and I go do the standard map
http://www.mediafire.com/?4jclealmz1m
here is the set up file to work from for 1939 AARHE
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmxndxjvt0u
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=z4aismgjqyt
also here is the set up file.
Er, thats your edit of my “real map” and the empty 1939 table.
I was asking for latest 1939 map for me to do the 1939 setup file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ctjmmsb1wmm
this is the 1939 map with icons. You have the basic set up sheets. compare and type the info in them.
I loaded up your file. If useless South America is disjointed and moved to the left side of the map you clear alot more space to stretch Europe both west and south and enlarge Europe further.
This will involve removing some central American nations because they are the thing that extends S. America toward Africa.
That large ocean on the west of S America is totally useless and it should be allocated to Europe.
Work on this a but more , then we add the other things. I can import the lines and stuff from the other map so my work is not lost at all.
The pacific looks good.
I haven’t disjoint North America and South America yet because I thought then we would need to specific that they are connected
what do you think?
another thing is that I was thinking for the 1939 map we should remove the unrealistic connection between America and Panama from OOB
stretching Europe (without the banned ugly Africa/Middle East distortion) means it is done to Euro-Asia-Africa as a whole
we can get a little more space but it won’t be signficant, we definitely won’t reach 30cm
(since I had to distort Africa to get to that 30cm version,
though I haven’t as agressive shrunk Soviet Far East and Alaska in that attempt,
shall see what happens)
ok I did that thing
its now 28.6cm weu to ukr, 30cm nor to seu
*added pretty traces of Pacific islands
*setup the layers
*added AARHE symbols library
to colour-in / create a territory
1. go to “Map: nation” layer
2. merge together the a few nations to create a territory
3. colour it is and give it a stroke
all the “Map” layers are of course related so try to not change them besides colour and stroke
if nothing else then our base file / template is ready
Ok well use it.
I have the printed out copy of 1939 AARHE and i can assert its the most beautiful map I have ever seen. Its looks MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN THE FILE. I am speechless!
I encourage everybody to print out a copy of this. Pictures coming soon….
oh yeah I forgot a sea zone layer
it important that its below the nations layer
so the dotted always slip under the shoreline
after you printed the beautiful 1939 map
do you still want to remake the 1939 map? :-D
