Just a couple of more comments. I think we all understand the need for clear guidelines when it comes to playoffs. If you only have played BM and then in the playoffs are drawn against someone who insists on OOB it comes across as unfair. That is certainly a valid point. But you can also argue the other way too and especially since the rule sates OOB is default. I think we need to update the rules! But how??

The argument to the majority is that no one plays OOB, so it doesn’t matter if you allow it in the regular season if they, the majority, are not required to play it in the playoffs. To me this is meaningless and borderline selfish. There is no motivation to play OOB in regular league play if you are required to play BM in the playoffs. That is a sure death penalty to OOB competitive play. Is that what the League wants?

The only solution I see is to have three leagues, one for OOB, one for BM and one for PtV. Then we avoid all arguments about what to play. If no one wants to play OOB then that league will die after a season or two, but the OOB could also get revitalized, I think. Really it is not that much work to record results for different games in different ranking sheets. I really don’t see why it is a problem. Nothing prevents people from playing all three leagues if they like. Also, if we are worried about no one playing OOB you may remove the 8 games cap for playoffs and introduce a 3 or 4 game rule.

I also think a solution like this will make it easier to keep all players at this site. We desperately need every single player! If everyone gets to play what they want even for the playoffs its easier to keep players too. I think players in many situations are “forced” to play BM because “everyone” wants that, and they feel expected to.

Yeah, obviously this game got out of hand. I have played trulpen too and I don’t think he is unfair. HOWEVER, he is KING of EDITS and that is not so good all the time. With that said he also allows you many edits. I think edits should be kept to a minimum… and not so much after next post. Sometimes this becomes a fine line.

Personally I only bump if I really mean to, bumps should never be used if you only intend to “activate” the game. A bump is a bump. Periode.

@OwenToo said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe when someone signs up for the playoffs, they state which playoff they want to be in. And there can be three playoffs: OOB, BM3, and PTV

I think that is a good compromise. You may even sign up for more than one too!?

All:

After several years of playing BM (on and off) I am interested in hearing peoples view on marines. Are they useful? Do they add something to the game?

I struggle with finding how to use them.

Honestly one of the best purpose I have found is to buy with Russia before german DOW just to distract germany so they cant leave land open.

It may be usefull to buy with Japan and take guam and it also may make a differance against an early assault on India.

For the USA it it may make sense to buy on the east coast and put on the cruiser there (maybe the best use I think)

In the pacific it sounds cool because you can island jump and claim several undefended japanese islands, but in reality it does not work because your cruiser (or battleship) is very volunerable for counter attacks.

For the british i have found no or little use for marines, may be useful in special situations where you have several cruisers, but keep in mind 3 cruisers require 15 IPC which is eq. to a transport and inf +art and you get to keep the tranny

For italy? I have little input. Very rearly a lonely cruiser can enter open sea in the med. It needs to be protected by the fleet, then it may make sense.

Anzac: I have never bought a marine with ANZAC

So, in summary I find it useful for some nations in the early game, but I hardly ever, or never, buy a marine past round 2

(sorry for the spelling)

for a 50 bid. I would take:

British
Scotland: 1 fighter
Sz 110, 91 and 98: 1 sub each
sz 71: 1 transport
Egypt: 1 infantry

China
Yunnan: 1 inf

Anzac
sz 62: 1 sub
New Guinea: 1 inf

The China and sz 62 bid is to discourage a J1 attack. J1 attack is extremely powerful when playing OOB version

its not a bad idea to have different caps for different games. It may make much sense to put the cap at 8 for BM and for example 4 at OOB.

I anticipate the die hard BM folks want nothing left behind and want the 8 game cap, its fine. Then OOB could serve as an alternative. AND it should be possible to participate in BM and OOB playoffs given you have enough games. I think it is important not to exclude people though

I dont play PtV so I have no input there

@Panzer-V , @M36

I am happy to play global 1940 2nd ed. I take axis and you take allies, no bid

pm if interested

If you want to help euro axis with japan a better plan (I think) is to secure India with japan and from there (or Malaya) go for South Africa. South Africa is usually less defended than Egypt and hence it is easier to capture with less resources, maybe a couple of transports are enough together with a loaded carrier and a destroyer. A yellow south africa is a pain to deal with for allies

Remember, as Japan you have like 20 planes from start you can put on carriers. This is the key. If you position wisely you dont ned to buy any fighters for the first 5 or 6 rounds. At the same time you shoud by at lest 5 carriers. But your fleet also need a few destroyers, but not more than the original 4. Any extra navy should be subs. The more the better.

So ideally at end of round 5 you have like 8 carriers, 2 bb, 2 cr, 4 dest, 4 subs and 5 trannies

America cant push you away noe and you should be making around 65 every round. You have spent like 140 ipc on navy and you have made a total of about 200. This give 60 for facilities and inf in china. Buy 1 or 2 factories or 1 factory and a navy base. Depending on situation. Ideally just 1 factory. Also, dont be to afraid of the far east russians.

I will prefer to keep cost of bombers at 12 and attack value at 4. There are so many reasons not to mess with any of these numbers. I agree that Germany can project threats to many areas at once with a stack of bombers. If you want to fix that you need to do something with Germany’s income. Remove the Crete objective and/or/partly change (some of) Norway, peace with USSR, Nov/Leningrad/Caucasus objectives to 4. You then achieve pretty much the same thing as increasing the cost of bombers while only targeting Germany.
Is the original post by Regularkid an April fool? I haven’t seen him around for ages and then he suddenly appears on April 1?! :blush:

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 14

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 14

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Ukraine
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        2 artilleries moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        6 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yenisey to Buryatia
              Russians take Buryatia from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine
            Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Turkey
        1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Turkey
        3 armour and 13 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Turkey
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Turkey
        3 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yenisey to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Archangel
        3 aaGuns, 29 artilleries and 39 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        4 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Novosibirsk

    Place Units - Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Iraq
        2 infantry placed in Russia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
        7 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Russians collect 4 PUs from War Bonds; end with 41 PUs
        Trigger Russians BM Archangel Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for Russians from 63 to 62
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Belarus: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ukraine: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.00

Savegame

you know, it is not an option to surrender turkey to germany without a fight, what that means to the pacific map I dont fully understand. Nevertheless, having germans going north/south/east from Turkey creates a completely different ballgame that I am not entering into. If that means I run out of time in the pacific map it is what it is, but surely it is not a walk in the park there for you anayways…

I think I edited the income correctly. BM-2 and war bonds +1 eaquals -1 in total

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 14

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 14

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Ukraine
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        2 artilleries moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        6 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yenisey to Buryatia
              Russians take Buryatia from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine
            Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Turkey
        1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Turkey
        3 armour and 13 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Turkey
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Turkey
        3 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yenisey to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Archangel
        3 aaGuns, 29 artilleries and 39 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        4 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Novosibirsk

    Place Units - Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Iraq
        2 infantry placed in Russia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
        7 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Russians collect 4 PUs from War Bonds; end with 41 PUs
        Trigger Russians BM Archangel Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for Russians from 63 to 62
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.00

Savegame

i might not move before tomorrow. It is difficult to fully understand everything in 2 or 3 rounds from now, but surely it does not look desirable to give up turkey, so I dont think I can let that happen, But the price might be too high, i dont know

Another good result for you there, but not great this time, a couple of planes extra survived i think.

8 hits= 3 carriers and 2 destroyers down

I am playing around to see if I can stop Japan somehow and i have found a new error in the map. There are 4 sea zones from Hawaii to Chile, not 3 as indicated in the UHD map

no worries about the AA

If you attack 110 with everything you have and dont attack 109, then yes, I will scramble.

If you attack 109 and 110 then I want scramble option

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 13

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 13

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
              ANZAC take 54 Sea Zone from Japanese

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

got it! …