Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?

With experienced players I agree. With new people…they gotta have fun too I typically give leeway the first 5 games.

@maverick_76:

Hey guys, here is an end to all of this: eliminate capitols, only have victory cities! As long as a country has an industrial complex then they are still in the fight. So for Russia for instance, if Moscow is taken, if they have a factory in Siberia they can still fight. You don’t lose any money, but you lose the IPC value, which Moscow would be a lot of value (probably at least 5-10 IPC’s). I think what you guys are forgetting is that you can’t just place an IC wherever, according to LH the territory you place it in must have a minimum IPC value and the IC can only produce 3 units max, or 10 depending on what type of IC you bought. So you as a country are defeated when you lose all your IC’s. You can still move troops and all that but you cannot build, effectively eliminating you.

see, now that would be a very simple way to view it with the rules, forget moving capitals and all that jazz.  that could work.

@idk_iam_swiss:

I guess hes a little bit right, russia DID make it to berlin first. (I think everyone gets a peice of victory pie)

of course, if you look at how Russia got a 6 month headstart getting into the war and it is 6000 km from washington dc to berlin as compared to 1400 km from moscow to berlin, and still russia only made it to berlin first by a matter of days…

If switzerland had actually gotten into the war, they could have ended the war by taking berlin in a couple weeks.  just advance every person with a rifle from switzerland into germany (which was about everyone) and bang bang, all done.  kisses!..
:roll: :-D :-o

But switzerland was sorta neutral. they had a bunch of nazi gold…not sayin its right, but it happened. idk why the swiss didnt want to attack germany to tell you the truth.

Because then the Swiss would have been Swiss cheese. :-D

The Swiss were nasty to both sides, actively attacked either side that crossed it’s borders and interning thousands of Allies and Axis soldiers for the duration.

I can’t find the exact quote, maybe it’s a misnomer, but it’s credited to Hitler as asking a Swiss Leader what he would think about 5 million Nazi soldiers crossing the Swiss border and the Swiss Leader replying that the citizens of Switzerland would grab their rifles, fire 5 shots and go home.  Never did German attempt such.

At times Germany and Italy would mount invasion forces at the border only to find hundreds of thousands of Swiss citizens all armed mass on the other side to counter them.  Their terrain helped them, but their preparedness with each home having at least one rifle and people trained to use them.  Should the Nazi’s invade, they would have been shot at from every window and building throughout the country.  They fought for their neutrality a long time.

@LuckyDay:

of course, if you look at how Russia got a 6 month headstart getting into the war and it is 6000 km from washington dc to berlin as compared to 1400 km from moscow to berlin, and still russia only made it to berlin first by a matter of days…

Well, in fact, USSR (not Russia) could had arrived a couple of months before, maybe even more. But Stalin wanted ensure soviet influence sphere on Balkans and eastern Europe, so he stopped assault on Poland and only made a full advance to west once they ensured Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. If USSR had chosen a eary push against Berlin, they could take whole Germany for them, but Balkans would be lost to the british. Of course, Stalin waited to see how D-Day worked, if failure, you can guess he would rush to Berlin and later Paris

War in Europe was won before D-Day (soviets would win anyway alone at that date), that’s credit for soviets. But D-Day saved France from stalinism, that’s credit for USA & UK

By the way, I think Switzerland should counted as impassable (similar to Himalayas and Sahara). Mainly for the reasons stated later

I also think Switzerland should be impassible, although Hitler had invasion plans for the Swiss. I just don’t see the need in game play to go through it. Other neutrals have more strategic value.

Can anyone explain to me why americans dont really like french people?

Beats me.  I don’t have any problem with them as a whole.

@idk_iam_swiss:

Can anyone explain to me why americans dont really like french people?

They did start two world wars, and both times made USA bail them out.

@Adlertag:

@idk_iam_swiss:

Can anyone explain to me why americans dont really like french people?

They did start two world wars, and both times made USA bail them out.

Not true in both cases. France never did the first shoot and USA didn’t won the war alone (in fact, where the french who did more work in WWI and soviets -in Europe, in Pacific were USA- in WW2)

And don’t forget french and spanish aid to USA in 1776 …

@Funcioneta:

France never did the first shoot

You are correct as always. It was Germany that in both cases startet a small local war, and then France come and made it world wars.

In 1914 Austria was defending herself against serbian terrorists, not very different from yours 9/11 and muslim terrorists today, and this could have been a small local war if France had not declared war on Germany, and pushed Germany to attack through neutral Belgium.

In 1939 a lot of German territory was occupied due to the Versailles Treaty, and because of that Germany attacked Poland in order to liberate the native germans that lived there, and again this too could have been a small local war, if France had not yet again declared war on Germany and made the second world war.

your prospective implies that both world wars are all frances fault. I neither agree or disagree with you. you just have  just an interesting view of history.

@idk_iam_swiss:

Can anyone explain to me why americans dont really like french people?

@idk_iam_swiss:

Can anyone explain to me why americans dont really like french people?

It probably has a lot to do with their quick surrender in WWII and their avoidance of getting involved in international hostilities ever since.

no, france didn’t start them, it was that they couldn’t win them…

why do americans dislike the french?  why is it that no one asks why the french dislike americans?  Americans are thankful for the french aide in their revolution, twas invaluable.  Nowadays, the americans are often made to feel that the rest of the world dislikes them, especially the french…  perhaps the americans are hurt that after all they did to save france from communism that they felt slighted that they have to pay to rent the land that was used for cemeteries for the soldiers fallen at Dday…?

@Funcioneta:

@LuckyDay:

of course, if you look at how Russia got a 6 month headstart getting into the war and it is 6000 km from washington dc to berlin as compared to 1400 km from moscow to berlin, and still russia only made it to berlin first by a matter of days…

Well, in fact, USSR (not Russia) could had arrived a couple of months before, maybe even more. But Stalin wanted ensure soviet influence sphere on Balkans and eastern Europe,

and Patton couldn’t have gotten there months earlier had Montgomery not gotten all of his supplies used in Market Garden…  it would have to be alot more than 6 months to make up the difference in the 3000+ kilometers…
@Funcioneta:

War in Europe was won before D-Day (soviets would win anyway alone at that date), that’s credit for soviets. But D-Day saved France from stalinism, that’s credit for USA & UK

War in Europe was far from over before Dday as a win for the Soviets.  Had Germany not had a Western Front, they could have utilized it’s factories at full capacity without American/UK bombing and resources would have headed to the East without pause.  The American supplied Soviets would have been pounded to dust even with Hitler’s neurotic commands (which would have been lessened by the lack of the Western Front).  Credit the Soviets for sucking American supply lines.

Switzerland was not impassible in ways similar to the Himalayas or the Sahara, and for those reasons I don’t see any reason it shouldn’t be as playable as Spain or Sweden…

Well said Lucky Day. A +1 to you.

@Adlertag:

In 1914 Austria was defending herself against serbian terrorists, not very different from yours 9/11 and muslim terrorists today, and this could have been a small local war if France had not declared war on Germany, and pushed Germany to attack through neutral Belgium.

9/11 is not mine, we Spanish had our own terrible 3/11 instead :oops: And you cannot compare killing two people with a gun with killing thoundsands of people with a suicide stolen aircraft

In fact, Austria sent a ultimatum to Serbia. Serbia said it was an anarchist and that not was Serbia’s fault. Austria DOWed Serbia and Russia felt they had to aid their little serbian friends, so they DOWed Austria. Then, Germany, forced by alliance with Austria, DOWed Russia. Then France & UK, allied with Russia, DOWed Germany. That was fault of alliance systems that time, and was Austria the first one attacking (you cannot blame serbian state because one annarchist, and Austria had not proof of Serbia supplying the killer)

whats DOWed mean?

Declaration Of War. In this case, I would have thought it meant ‘declared war on’.

I had a French guy cuss me out the other day, apparently they think you are patronizing them if you don’t know their language and try to speak it.