France

Besides, the Soviets aren’t even in the Pacific version, and West India is balanced by British Columbia, so it’s even there and the European UK doesn’t get more…

@Bruda_Iz:

How about a similar rule but for the allies in Italy…. something like the minute Rome is taken all Italy kicks out Musilini and becomes and Allie?  LOL

Haha, that’s not a bad idea, actually – it adds some balance to the Vichy rules. You could make it that if Rome is captured, Italy is restored as an Allied country, played by whoever took their capitol.

Yes France has to fall turn 1 because otherwise the UK can renforce it. That means more losses turn 2. Its also one less turn Germany has to deal with the UK before America and Russia get into it.

Its like asking “Would it be crazy to leave the UK with a fleet after turn 1?”

Thats also yes…might as well conceede the game at that point.

I can see a fair case for both. My strat with Italy is to focus on the Balkans and keep my fleet in the eastern Med, away from the British in the Atlantic and close enough to redeploy to Egypt/mid-east should I need to. I would prefer the Germans to have southern France just so they have an easy jumping point and because, with the larger income, can more easily afford to build fleets there as nesscary.

@jeffdestroyer:

My concern is having to defend another factory in S. France from the U.S.A.  ie from a Gibraltar attack.

Remember, with the fighter stacks I mentioned and the Tac bomber firebrigade, you could easily counter attack and destroy any invasion in that area

These sound like really neat house rules. If the allies seem to win too many games over here we will probably use them. Potentially turning all of north africa over to the germans.

Tons of fun stuff with the french. Imagine the germans being able to move french soldiers around africa but the french turn back allied first time normany is landed in!

I play a bit of War At Sea as well. Reading the back of the french cards is entertaining. Ships escaping port and german capture with unfinished guns. Ships firing at americans landing in africa.

Heck, am i remembering right that the british landed in madagascar to liberate it from the french? Wasnt the HMS Barham or the Ramilles or some other old battleship there?

okay here is what I do take (1sub, 1fighter) to 109 (2subs, 1fighter, 1tatical) to 110 and 111 (battelship cruiser fighter tatical) to 112
(infantry, artillery) to Normandy (5infantry, artillery, 4 mech, 5tanks, bomber) to France

-this will let you take out most of the RN with just subs as loses and there will nothing that the U.K. can do take europe.

france will be controlled by Germany. just build a destoryer in seasone 112 to prevent fighter attack on your navy. build a minor factory in Romaina this will frist let you build units in a better position in eastern europe + let you build subs for the med. with this and Normandy you should be able to help out Italy enough

Thank you,

After consulting the rules I see that you are right. I only thought they lost the IPC on hand but where still able to collect income. Loosing the IPC on hand seems like a harsh enough punishment imo. It is also a good representation of the chaos that a country will go thro after the loss of its capital. Not being able to collect income when not in control of your capital takes away a few interesting aspects of the game as the Britts fighting on from Canada and SA, the Russians continuing to fight on after the fall of Moscow and my really cool free French empire in South America  :wink:.

@lnmajor:

by the way,
reading all the posts on french territorys in africa. all great ideas, with bases in dakar andsub bases in madagascar, but how in the world can they fit those places in on the upcomming AAE40 and keep it in scale with the AAP40 map? somebody explain how this can possibily work.

I am sure they made both maps before they released Pacific or at least had a good idea of what it was going to look like.