AA50, 1939?

1939 is a very silly date to start any wargame. All that happened is poland was conquered and the Russia’s launched a botched invasion of Finland which is something impossible to simulate in axis&allies unless the 2 finish infantry take four hits to kill each.

A much more intersting date is spring 1940, a whole lot happens that year that changed the war dramaticly. I  always feel in 1941-1943 setups that everything is locked in place and their is no varaity.

A 1944-1945 start date would also be intersting if you added some cold war rules, Italy would be on the allies side and their peices would also represent free french and Germany and Japan would be severly weakened. What would make it intersting is the Soveit Union would have its own victory conditions seperate from the US/UK/Italy.

Anyways I would love to make or for someone else to make a good 1940 scenario

With a 1940 scenario we could have a wargame similar to AAR, AA50 and AA42, just some different scenarios. A 1939 map (or earlier) should include politics and switching alliances, if not then there’s no point in making a 1939 scenario.

Perhaps we should ask Larry to make a 1940 scenario which would not be much more different from AA50/AA42 than AA50 is from AAR.

It would still be cool to have 1939 variant with politics and backstabbing other players.

I would think with a 1940 scenario you would have extra political rules or at least restictions on country entry

my objection to a 39 scenario is that nothing happened that year worth simulating.

another good date is 1950/ Korean War gone global deal. you could use most of the same peices too, just get some F86 Sabre peices for the allies and mig-15s for the soveits, plus maybe m26,m46s for allied tanks and some b-29 bombers

In any of these scenarios it would also probably require some editing of the map to make it good.

The most important issue when making a map/scenario/game which starts before the usual setups in A&A, is to play out different possible outcomes of the war, setting different premises than the usual ones. In the 41 setup in AA50 Germany and Russia is already at war, we cannot make other changes, then we’d make another game, not only house rules. Same goes for Germany and UK, no player can choose not having a war between UK and Germany in 41.

The point of designing a map or scenario which starts in 1939 or 1940 is to make it possible for Germany to not attack Russia, at least not until later, or to Join Russia against UK, or Germany joins UK and goes against Russia. A possible setup with mostly defensive units which makes it suicide for both Germany and Russia to attack each other in the beginning of such a scenario, they’d have to build offensive units first. If Germany went all out against UK in the real WW2 they might have taken UK out of the “game” so to speak.
Or a possible scenario in which Germany and Russia makes an alliance, and conquers all the land the can until there are only two powers left, Germany and Russia, which then goes to war to settle once and for all who shall rule the world.

US is the single most powerful nation in any scenario, at least should be, but if all other territories are captured by other powers, then US will not be the strongest anymore, at least not if two or several powers makes a join venture in the prospect of removing the US as the superpower to become, once and for all. The conquest for global supremacy can take many different directions.

that sounds like a blueprint for a very interesting game Subotai

what if you hap a 1940 setup, where it was free for all but with historical victory conditions

US
must control eight vicotry cities

Russia must control eight vicotry cities

Germany/italy(still one player) must control london

Britain must control Germany

Japan must conquer all of china/asia

or he could make a totally fictional war between X and Y! but using the same rules as Axis and Allies (for combat, movement, IPC-buying units, etc)

Robert

I think that a '39 scenario with politics would be biased toward the Axis for one simple reasons: it allows them to manage their threats. If Germany and Japan would’ve taken on their threats one at a time they wouldn’t have had to deal with having so much on their plate. If Germany had worried about the UK before they worried about the USSR, and if the Japanese would’ve finished off China before going after European colonies the world would be a much different place.

Yes but if Gemrnay had not invaded the USSR in 1941 it might have been Germany that was being invaded in 1942

and in axis and allies even with the allies at war with japan china is almost completely destoryed on the first turn

use www.mediafire.com for uploading pics its the easiest way to do this.

Hi Turtle

Me too, i’m not familiar with media fire.

Anyway, I’m going to send the picture of my gameboard to captain jack.
C.Jack might be able to give his feeling.