Some set ups availible for AA50

@Subotai:

It’s been a while since I discussed bids, how high and what kind. I’m playing in the TripleA lobby, and there almost all players use preplace bids, that means all units are preplaced, not 50/50. When you are playing via forum, you use half cash - half amount in units? I thought you also used 100% preplace bid, and only 1 unit pr TT.
That rule if bid placement can be grouped is a minor one. I know good players have lost even if they placed 3 inf in Ukr….  :roll:

I almost forgot this is the AA50 thread, not AAR  :lol:

Wonder if ppl still will use all bids to Germany - Africa, and if the bids will difference from with or w/o NOs.
I can’t imagine bids for allies, but I’m not 100% sure yet. The biggest question is if AA50 bids will be higher than AAR.

I hope if they do get some tournament rules for AA50 (eg. LHTR), that they get rid of the 50/50 thing.  It makes it a lot more confusing than it needs to be.

So far what I’m hearing and seeing is that Axis has the edge in a game with NOs.  That would make bidding very awkward.  Generally, most players prefer to play Axis, and are willing to lower their bid quite far to get them.

I’m trying to imagine 2 players bidding to play Allies, but trying to keep their bids as high as possible so that their opponent gets ‘stuck’ with them instead…

Player A and Player B submit secret bids to play the Allies…
Player A: “Well buddy, I bid 50IPC to be the Allies, so it looks like you’re going to ‘win’ the bid”
Player B: “Sorry pal, I bid a 100IPC.  Looks like you’re stuck with them”
Player A: “Damn.  I wanted Axis!”

WEIRD!

I just find the 41’ setups to be ackward. Russia starts with 1 armor and no air fleet? Russia had more armor and airplanes pre Barbarossa then anyone. Then you might say if you gave them that it wouldn’t be balanced. All the setup would have to do to make it more historical accurate and balanced would be to have most of their armor and airplanes on the front line and give Germany a surprise attack on the first turn like AAP with Russians rolling hits on ones. This would make it have more of an historical feel plus keep the game balanced. The setup should be like Russia loses 75% of their armor, artillery, fighters, and Bombers on the first German attack. They have plenty of infantry still left that can hold on so they can rebuild and try to crush Germany. Not, we only have infantry and the Germans attack and then they decide to build armor and stuff. Just like the US, the Russian 42’ setup looks decent.

In AAR I prefered the Axis because of their light disadvantage.

If in AA50 maybe the allies are the underdogs.

It seems that we are all “super tactical players” and only the game balance judges about victory or defeat. But this is Bullxxxx.

In 1941 the axis overrun the world. The 1941 set up represents this. Congratulations Larry!

We dont need bids to play A&A. It is a random thing wich country marker you pick out of the box.

And if I pick up the allies in AA50, I will await the axis at Stanlingrad, El Alamein and Midway no matter if outnumbered or not. That is fun!

Maybe we are missing something here… MAYBE there is true genius to the double set-ups?  The 1941 set-up favors the AXIS and gives the Allies a challenge, the 1942 set-up favors the ALLIES and gives the AXIS a challenge?

Maybe…  Im just philosophizing here.

Interesting. We could make 2 games matches, changing sides each game, for league games. We could get even draws!  :-D

The 1941 set-up favors the AXIS and gives the Allies a challenge, the 1942 set-up favors the ALLIES and gives the AXIS a challenge?

This is intriguing and it could actually make sense as well. Between the two scenarios there were some strategic mistakes on the part of the Axis such as too weak reinforcements for Rommel, overextension on the Russian front in front of Moscow and of course a lack of Japanese focus after the first victories in the winter of '41. The most probable chance to win the war would be to rectify these mistakes, and then this thing would be historically accurate as well!  :wink:

I added up the Russian unit setup to an Abattlemap file. No surprises so far , however…

AA50-41_US_RUS.AAM

Yes, the Axis did overun much of the Allies in 41’ and I don’t dispute that. Axis and Allies has never been an exact simulation of the war but, has been a broad stoke general verision with a lot of what ifs thrown in. I just feel in the 41’ scenerio Larry missed the opportunity to make Operation Barbarossa “feel” what it was like. The mass slaughter of frontline strength of Russia’s emmense airforce and armor. Give the Axis an advantage at first against Russia in 41’ of course but, also make the campaign generally feel like it was.

That may have been something Larry tried. But Hasbro/Wizards may have edited it to make the game easier to play and learn. By lurking both here and on Larry’s site for some time it appears that his main problem has been balancing the play experience and complexity of the game. Just by looking at his tournament rules you can see how much didn’t get into revised to make it the way he wanted. I’m sure that happend in this edition as well.

I do agree though. A larger Russian force, and a German bonus for the frist round or 2 would have been a nice touch.

The -42 setup so far attached. Given that the Russians move before the Germans and now have the Arkhangelsk bonuus they look very strong in this setup!

AA50-42_US_RUS.AAM

@Lynxes:

The -42 setup so far attached. Given that the Russians move before the Germans and now have the Arkhangelsk bonuus they look very strong in this setup!

My Notes indicate Germany moves before USSR in AA50 1942 setup?  Am I in error?

The '42 order of play is:

1. Japan
2. Soviet union
3. Germany
4. UK
5. Italy
6. USA / China

I don’t know in which timezone Mike is, but the Wednesday UK Chart (which is expected to hold some changes) is long overdue. It is Thursday already.  :-(

Graig,

Since Wednesday is over anyway and thus the UK sheet is overdue care to do the honours and post the UK sheet?

:-D

PLEEEEEEEASE! :-D

I’m afraid you’ll just have to wait for Mike.

@Lynxes:

The '42 order of play is:

1. Japan
2. Soviet union
3. Germany
4. UK
5. Italy
6. USA / China

Yes, I see my error.  I copied down the IPC list as the turn order-LOL, thanks.

Mike’s got the rest of the setups posted now.

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1111655

For the italian setup i am quite disappionted with not havign 1 destroyer in the mix for the italian navy also…… germany has more men in africa and expecially libya what gives?

it is like the aa gun attack do many aa guns expeciallt in the setup for 42

@JohnBarbarossa:

Graig,

Since Wednesday is over anyway and thus the UK sheet is overdue care to do the honours and post the UK sheet?

:-D

I stayed up very LATE waiting for this one sheet!!  We have the whole picture now…  Thank you