Techs

It would make more sense for Germany to build subs if the game used the convoy route system in A&A Pacific or Europe.  The Super Sub tech for the US makes a lot of sense in the Pacific, especially with the single Japanese destroyer to start.

I suspect that the real use of the IC repair tech will be on additional Industrial Centers built later, where you have limited production.  An Industrial Center built on a territory with 3 IPC could be very readily knocked out by a Strategic Bombing Raid, with no production until repaired.

Lynxes:
I agree with you. If you build a strategy around killing the UK destroyers the first turn, then yes you could benefit a lot from
building a few subs. And by all means, that might be a very good strategy to keep the Uk out of France etc.

However, my point is that you have to set up a strategy spesificly designed to use subs. If you dont, it will probably be stupid to build subs. And if UK builds a Carrier and a few subs herself first turn, in turn 4 and outwards it will probable be completly stupidity to build any more subs as the German player, regardless of earlier strategies.

As of IC repair, yes, I did not think of that, and that way IC repair might not be that far of. Still I find it somewhat disapointing that you need one tech spesificly for germany to counter one spesific strategy. I would much rather see technologies which could be usefull by everyone, regardless of enemy strategy.

@Lynxes:

Improved artillery- each art may now support 2 inf to attack at 2

This is correct.

For bombing raids, the damage done should mainly represent the production disruption rather than dwindle the IPC bank of the defender.

The way i see it, it should be:

• Ennemy bomber damage IC up to maximum the territory value.
• On the damaged IC nation turn, pay 1 ipc per prod slot you WANT to use.
• Buy your units
• Play the turn
• Place units up to current prod value
• All remaining damage is automatically repaired for free since slots were not used. This represent the effort put to repairs instead of new units.

Or even simplier than above, use current system but make it that infantry building is not affected by IC damage.

It has been said that these 2 Techs are actually 1 tech together.

IC repair- (one IPC removes two points of IC damage)

Improved production- each IC may now produce two more units per turn

If that is so then we are missing 1 tech. What could it be?

Also it was said Radar is on the Naval/air tech card. I would think it would be better suited on the land card. The reason is that Germany would be going for a land tech because of the big land war with Russia. This would be a big help if the Allies acquire HB.

It has been said that these 2 Techs are actually 1 tech together.
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IC repair- (one IPC removes two points of IC damage)

Improved production- each IC may now produce two more units per turn

If that is so then we are missing 1 tech. What could it be?

From where did you hair this?

Just to clearify, I’m hoping that the two techs above are one and I have been geussing this. But I have no knowledge whatsoever on the subject. Just reasoning that those two fit perfectly as one, both with respect to theme and balance.

Some of them are correct, and some of them aren’t.  I’ll give out more info a little at a time.  Half the fun is speculation (at least for some folks), and I don’t want to ruin anyone’s fun.  (I’m sure I’ll get some negative karma from some of the other folks for this, but apparently that’s the price of being me.)

Just to say that we know that your list is not 100% corret :)

I have allways said that +2 production capacity and the repair IC thing fits perfectly for 1 tech. As one tech it
makes the entire ‘land’ part of the tech tree more interesting, as I find both of them seperatly quit borring.

Now, if we are missing one tehc, I realy realy hope they have some kind of ‘heavy armor’ tech, but I actually doubt it cuz it would have been easy to remember. Kind of disapointed, cuz it should not be imposible to create a balanced ‘heavy armor’ tech. A heavy armor could be given the ability to support one infanteri.

Since Squirecam has again “spilled the beans”, I’ll give another “bonus” update.

@Flying:

It has been said that these 2 Techs are actually 1 tech together.

IC repair- (one IPC removes two points of IC damage)

Improved production- each IC may now produce two more units per turn

If that is so then we are missing 1 tech. What could it be?

Squirecam reported this in Imperious Leader’s collected information thread, but the post was deleted.  I’ll confirm that these two developments are actually one.  This, of course, makes perfect sense.

Now where did I put that missing tech?   :evil:

@Krieghund:

Since Squirecam has again “spilled the beans”, I’ll give another “bonus” update.

@Flying:

It has been said that these 2 Techs are actually 1 tech together.

IC repair- (one IPC removes two points of IC damage)

Improved production- each IC may now produce two more units per turn

If that is so then we are missing 1 tech. What could it be?

Squirecam reported this in Imperious Leader’s collected information thread, but the post was deleted.  I’ll confirm that these two developments are actually one.  This, of course, makes perfect sense.

Now where did I put that missing tech?  :evil:

Have you looked under the bed? …… Sometime my rulebooks end under it…  :-D

@Lynxes:

As far as I know my two charts are correct when it comes the techs. The only uncertainties are the actual details of some of the techs, that I have put into parenthesis. That said, I wasn’t at GENCON

It seems like ages since GenCon, but I can say with near certainty that Paratroopers should be included on List A.

Well, that didn’t take long!  I’ll confirm that you now have all the techs, and that Rockets and Radar need to be switched on the lists.  However, the specifics on some of the individual techs are still a little off…

@Krieghund:

Since Squirecam has again “spilled the beans”, I’ll give another “bonus” update.

@Flying:

It has been said that these 2 Techs are actually 1 tech together.

IC repair- (one IPC removes two points of IC damage)

Improved production- each IC may now produce two more units per turn

If that is so then we are missing 1 tech. What could it be?

Squirecam reported this in Imperious Leader’s collected information thread, but the post was deleted.  I’ll confirm that these two developments are actually one.  This, of course, makes perfect sense.

Now where did I put that missing tech?   :evil:

Well, to be correct, I did not spill anything. IL apparently already had the techs. I just told him they were together. For some strange reason, that post got deleted…

@squirecam:

I just told him they were together.

That’s what I was referring to.  :-)

I’m geussing the ‘paratrooper’ will be extremle simple.
-Each bomber may carry one paratrooper (infanteri)

Without having the details, I’m starting to image how it is for US to have BOTH partrooper AND heavy bombers at the same time…

And WHY no heavy tanks.  A tech giving tanks +1 ofensive WOULD by no means be overpowered and would have been a lot more fitting than the paratrooper. I just imagine USA taking ALL island in the pacific using only partroopers…

But i’ll give them that all land techs are atleast usefull for almost all nations for almost all situations.  And that the system of getting them is far supperior to the one in revised.

@Krieghund:

Well, that didn’t take long!

I would’ve replied sooner, but I was in England on vacation.

@Greand:

I’m geussing the ‘paratrooper’ will be extremle simple.
-Each bomber may carry one paratrooper (infanteri)

Without having the details, I’m starting to image how it is for US to have BOTH partrooper AND heavy bombers at the same time…

Except that Paratroopers are in the land/production tech tree and HB in the air/naval tree.

You cannot “accidentally” get paratroopers on the way to getting HB. You can get long range air, though, which helps HB…