Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

Didn’t know the Veep couldn’t be from the same state as the Pres.

But that’s totally irrelevant, Switch.  You just said that Bill could just change his state of residency if he had moved it to New York.  Though, I think he’s still from Arkansas.

“I think that there’s some greedy people on Wall Street that perhaps need to be punished.” John McCain - 1/30/08

“I voted against the tax cuts because of the disproportional amount that went to the wealthiest Americans.  I would clearly support not extending those tax cuts.” John McCain - 4/11/04

" I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief." John McCain - 6/9/01

“Climate change, in my view, is real.  It can affect states like Florida dramatically because I think it has to do with violent weather changes, as well.” John McCain - 1/24/08

“Suppose we do nothing, and we don’t eliminate this $400 billion dependence we have on foreign oil.  Some of that money contributes to greenhouse gas emissions.  Then what kind of a world have we given our children?” - John McCain 1/30/08

“As far as ANWR is concerned, I don’t want to drill in the Grand Canyon, and I don’t want to drill in the Everglades.  This is one of the most pristine and beautiful parts of the world.” - John McCain - 1/16/08

“To make someone believe that you are killing him by drowning is no different than holding a pistol to his head and firing a blank.” John McCain - 11/21/05

“I have been an agent of change in Washington.  I know how the system works.” John McCain - 1/6/08

“We all know, and it’s obvious, that if we repeal Roe v. Wade tomorrow, thousands of young American women would be performing illegal and dangerous operations.”  John McCain - 8/22/99

“There are jobs that Americans will not do, we all know that.” John McCain - 12/9/04

“Amnesty has to be an important part of any guest worker program because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens.  That has to be a component of it.” John McCain - 5/29/03

" I support the Latino and Immigrant Fairness Act, but the current bill makes insufficient progress on amnesty for those wrongly denied it." John McCain - 12/15/07

“I would announce that we were closing Guantanamo Bay and moving those prisoners to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.” John McCain - 2/11/08

Okay, let’s compare those statements to Madam Hillary Clinton, future empress of the United States of America:

“It’s shocking that there is such a continuing political pressure to lower tax rates on the wealthy.” - Madam Clinton - 1/21/08

“With all due respect, do the billionaires in America need more tax cuts?” Madam Clinton - 3/14/07

“We have this class now of professional corporate managers who believe their number one obligation is to secure the biggest possible pay package at the expense of everybody else.” Madam Clinton - 1/12/08

“The road toward campaign finance reform has been a long one, and we have not achieved final victory.  But in passing this legislation in the Senate, we have taken a major step forward.” Madam Clinton - 4/2/01

“The scientific consensus is clear: human activities are increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, causing our planet to warm.” Madam Clinton - 10/27/05

“The real victims of global warming will be our children, and their children, who will inherit an earth suffering severe environmental consequences.” Madam Clinton - 3/14/01

“Protecting America’s vast environmental treasures, such as our National Parks, National Forests and ANWR, is a bipartisan tradition stretching back to Teddy Roosevelt.” - Madam Clinton - (Website statement, 2008) {Personal note, it was Republicans who created and protected the national parks and forests, it was the Clintons who opened every national forest and park to logging in the early 90s.}

“As a matter of policy, torture cannot be American policy, period.  There is very little evidence that it works.” Madam Clinton - 9/26/07

“I think I am an agent of change.  I embody change, I believe I am more prepared and ready to actually deliver change, and I think that ultimately, I am what Americans want to know and believe.”  Madam Clinton - 1/5/08

“Let us unite around a common goal of reducing the amount of abortions, not by making them illegal as many are attempting to do or overturning Roe v. Wade.” Madam Clinton - 6/13/06

“I deeply regret the way the Republicans are politicizing and demagoguing immigration, they are trying to outdo each other in basically demeaning and attacking those who are here in our country, yes, without documentation, but who are often doing the work that keeps our country going and raising their families and making a contribution.” Madam Clinton - 12/1/07

“Rater than keeping us more secure, keeping Guantanamo open is harming our national interests, I have certainly concluded that we should close it once and for all.” Madam Clinton - 2/11/08

Hmm, you want to tell me again how John McCain is different then the democrats and just how conservative he is?  Sounds like he’s spouting the same nonsense as the Clintons (and the Obamas, but I just can’t sift through his speeches without totally going insane from reading the words “Change” and “Hope” 400 times a paragraph.)

McCain is a democrat at heart.  He wears a red name tag so he can get elected in his home state.  But he’s a democrat.  He has not been conservative in at least the last ten years, maybe longer.

i’m uber conservative and loathe lefties.  and i agree with a lot that he says.  let him fully explain some more.

like tax cuts for the rich.  he wanted spending cuts to go with it.  etc for all other issues.

He, he, Jen has right, both Mc Cain and Rodman says the same. Seems both USA partys are almost equal.  :-D

As Kodos sais: “Vote the party you want… anyway you are dooooooomed…”  :lol:

@Funcioneta:

He, he, Jen has right, both Mc Cain and Rodman says the same. Seems both USA partys are almost equal.  :-D

As Kodos sais: “Vote the party you want… anyway you are dooooooomed…”  :lol:

“Not me, I’m voting Independent!”

“Go ahead!  Throw your vote away!”

@balungaloaf:

i’m uber conservative and loathe lefties.  and i agree with a lot that he says.  let him fully explain some more.

like tax cuts for the rich.  he wanted spending cuts to go with it.  etc for all other issues.

Sure, just bear in mind everything he says right now is to get him elected.  It’s NOT what he said WHEN he said it.  That carries more weight with me then political rhetoric spewed forth in a last ditch hope of convincing conservatives he’s one of us and not one of them - even though his speeches for ten years have been right out of their handbook.

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

kang gets no respect.

Kang was female if I’m not wrong. Maybe Kang abducted Hillary and Kodos abducted Mc Cain?  :-D

What about Obama? Wait, there were a cooker in the ship in the first chapters… Maybe the alien cooker abducted Obama… I think you are dooooomed  :-D

It’s Falling Cellery:

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/hillary.htm

Watch Cellery plummet! Who comes up with these things?

I won’t be surprised if the Clintons somehow manage to steal the election from Obama.  They’ve already pulled a bunch of dirty tricks, calling him a drug dealer, releasing pictures of him in Kenyan garb to make him look Muslim, releasing his pastor’s sermons where he shows his racist colors and trying to attribute those stances to Obama, etc.

Watch, she’ll figure out a way to get the Michigan and Floridian delegates seated and buy off the rest of the super delegates to get the win.

With the recent developing flap with his Church Clinton may not have to steal it from Obama. I will be surprised if he doesn’t implode before the convention much less the General election.

@Cmdr:

releasing his pastor’s sermons where he shows his racist colors and trying to attribute those stances to Obama

this of all of them isn’t bad IMO, yes his Pastor has made racist remarks and also anti US remarks. but the thing is that the Obama family has gone to this church for around 20 years, you can’t tell me that of the sermons shown Obama was not at at least one of those, he has made a big show of going regularlly, so ether he was before his run or he was not.
but give him the benafit of the doupt and say the pastor only had the anti US and racist remarks on the few times the Obama’s didn’t show up. if we take that and say he was not there, we can look at the church and say from experiance from other churches that usually regular members are friends, not all with all but a good number are friends with at least a good number of others. also most people will share opinions when talking when they are friends so i’m sure some of the anti US or racest things would be brought up in talks with the Obama’s. again this isn’t incriminating as he may not have been there durring those sermons.
now the real problem comes from that pastor Write is accredited by Obama as his mentor or one of them (i’m not sure right now on the exact word), now you may not agree with your mentor all the time, but it would be hard to have a mentor that is far from your own belife system. the Obama’s would have to know his stance at least some what to question it.
if we look at Machel’s (Mrs Obama) statment just a short time ago of “This is the first time i am proud to be an American” it shows that there is some credability at the vary least that there is at least some Anti American thoughts in the vary least there house hold.
i don’t know about any of your houses but major decisions are made between my self and my wife; looking at history more then a few 1st ladies have had influence on our presidents decisions.
the bottom line is at the vary least this brings up the questions to be asked and thought over for people so they can look and see more on there lives and how they think so the American people can make an informed decision on who they are.

This thing about his pastor is actually worse then you may think.

1)  He chose this church because of this pastor. (Generally how people chose their churches or why they leave them.)  He’s been a member under this pastor for 20 years.  That’s plenty of time to realize this may not or may be the kind of man you want to lead you spiritually.

2)  He has made the pastor his religious adviser and his pastor has taken a leave of absence to be his spiritual adviser.

3)  Mormonism is what killed Romney.  However, Mormonism is not as far out and ridiculously anti-Caucasians and American culture as this pastor has been in his speeches (at least the ones I’ve read from the Chicago Tribune and Fox News (Fox is slightly conservative, the Trib is as liberal as Fox is conservative - try to get both sides.))

This could be a SERIOUS problem for Barry.  He’s going to need republicans to get elected.  Not saying he couldn’t win with only democrats, just saying that it’s silly to think that 100% of the democrats + 1 republican are going to vote for Barry. (Nation is pretty much 50/50 Republican/Democrat as seen in the past 3 elections.) Most “republicans” view themselves as tolerant, conservative, God fearing men and women.  His spiritual adviser is probably going to put them off.  That leaves blue blood Republicans and they’re going to vote for McCain, he’s their man.

Top that off with most female democrats being upset their girl did not get the nomination and either sitting out the election or joining their white husbands in voting for McCain instead of the black man who stole the nomination from Hillary and I don’t think Barry has as good a shot as I once did.

That said, there are negatives for Hillary too.  If she steals the nomination from Barry then most black democrats (female or male) will be upset their man was disenfranchised by the white elite establishment and will either vote for McCain or sit the election out as well.

If either of those two events happen - and the longer this primary season continues, the better the odds that it will, and we may see the Second Republicrat in the White House. (Bush Jr. being the first.)  By Republicrat I mean someone who is very democrat leaning in his domestic policies, but very republican leaning in his foreign policies.

Anyway, this is probably why republicans turned out in record numbers for Hillary in the last Super Tuesday primary.  I believe the goal, at least according to ABC News, was to do to the democrats what they did to us, push for the candidate we want instead of letting them chose their own candidate.  It also has the effect of keeping the race close enough that neither candidate wants to drop out.

And, if Florida and Michigan are allowed to seat their delegates (and both states went 100% for Hillary) she’s regained the lead in delegates and could hit the magic number (2032 I think, but don’t quote me on that) to have the nomination.

Imagine, Florida is once again going to decide an election!  (Primary this time, but still they will be deciding it!)

It doesn’t look like Michigan or Florida will simply be allowed to seat their delegates but will have “do over” primaries. If that is the case Obama may win Michigan but I would be surprised if he wins Florida which has a very large  number of delegates. The mainstream press seems to be keeping somewhat quite about the Pastor flap but I suspect that will change.

I dunno, a44.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary’s camp makes a legal push saying that Michigan and Florida already had their primaries and they went 100% in her favor, allowing a do-over could negate the results and defraud her supporters.

I don’t buy it myself, she was the only one on the ticket, but I wouldn’t put it past the family that invented the word “unconcede” from trying.

And if she can win that case, and I don’t see why she shouldn’t have the power and influence to get the courts to rule in her favor, then she has an EXTREMELY good shot at stealing the election from Obama. (Just a note, I say if Obama wins, he stole it from Hillary and if Hillary wins she stole it from Obama; that way I’m not taking sides!)

LMAO, I just went and looked at the Trinity United web site.  It’s way different from what it was a month ago when I first looked.  There were all kinds of statements about advancing blacks and Black family values (What ever that is)  I wonder why if it’s not a big deal is most of that removed from their web site?  I only wish I had saved an image, the Mission statement and the “10 point vision” are completely different.

They’re trying to distance themselves from Barrack and soften their image now that the magnifying class is on them.

But statements like “We are living in the US of KKK-America” and “HIV was invented by the white man to genocide the black man” and all the rest of their pastor’s statements from at least 2001 (I have not seen any footage of him from BEFORE 2001) has been incredibly racist, incredibly anti-American way of life and incredibly, how shall I say it, indicative of what we expect from a certain portion of the population especially since Al Gore lost the election in 2000.  I hope that’s tactful enough.

Anyway, if Hillary can keep the fire under Barry, she’s got this election sewn up.  There’s no way Barry can win if he’s painted in the same light as the KKK.  He does have to get SOME white men to vote for him, even in the Democrat party!  He can’t do it ONLY with blacks.  Jesse Jackson tried that and failed.

I will say that this church BS is probably going to cost Obama any chance he had at getting a respectible share of the “blue collar democrats”…  the old school Union workers.

And I don’t think that is going to help him very much in Pennsylvania…

Obama has come out and denounced the pastor that made these statements, but claims it isnt the norm for his church and that he will continue attending. Doesn’t seem like a smart move to me. I would distance myself from such a church.

@M36:

Obama has come out and denounced the pastor that made these statements, but claims it isnt the norm for his church and that he will continue attending. Doesn’t seem like a smart move to me. I would distance myself from such a church.

Sorry bro, but I don’t think they would let your kind in…