Discussion of R1, what do you recommend

The problem with the per turn instead of per move time limit…

You allow 5 days for a turn.
The Axis player waits 4 1/2 days then posts their Germany move.

Now the Allies have to go twice, and the axis once, in 12 hours, or the game gets a delay notice… most likely against the Allied player who’s turn would be due next eventhough it was the Axis player who chewed up nearly all of the 5 day time limit for the turn.

did you trade your new paint brush for some mojo ?  theres only 1 original MOJO  :mrgreen:

BTW, that submarine does not become useless once the Germans lose the ability to win against the Allied navy/navies.

I like to send it to Southern Africa to ‘persuade’ Japan not to make a Brazil run, at least, force Japan to commit more to a Brazil run then what is normal and optimal.  It also keeps Japan honest by not leaving transports out there undefended.

And, finally, I’ve had a situation where Japan FORGOT the Russian submarine was down there by Madagascar and been able to attack his battleship and 3 transports with 3 fighters and a submarine. Odds are, he only gets one hit, you get 2, that’s a good trade!  Japanese transport which is useful for Russian submarine which is not so useful. (I actually got 3 hits to his 1 that time, but I was lucky.)

The reason they are rated low, for me, is as follows:

1)  Submarines are expensive
2)  Submarines die to fighters without risk to the fighters
3)  Submarines purchased take 4 full turns to break even (odds?)
4)  The two submarines in SZ 5 die in every game I’ve ever seen.  It’s just a debate over when, not if they die.
5)  Germany has no business buying up lots of submarines.
6)  America is relatively unaffected by U-Boats.  Sure, they have less money, but honestly, -3 IPC from 42 IPC is not that much.

Those are ranked in order of importance to me.

That said, if you get them as a random bonus, it isn’t horrible.  Germany, of course, has no worthless advantages.

Germany cannot hold Caucasus early in the game.

If it tries, all Russia has to do is take Ukraine with West Russia forces, cutting off any reinforcements, and take Caucasus with combined West Russia and Russia forces.

On the other hand, Germany has a very easy time smashing Karelia early.  If Russia reinforces in Karelia, I think the Axis have an excellent chance of winning, as Germany smashes the Karelia stack with the Baltic transport, Norway, Eastern Europe infantry plus assorted tanks.  West Russia will not have enough to counterattack (since so many units were in Karelia in the first place), and the Germans have seriously damaged Russia’s ability to trade territories from W. Russia - the Germans can even secure Ukraine with that weak of a Russia.

Leave Archangel and Karelia open with Russia; do not defend.  That’s my recommendation.

@Caleb3285:

A second German sub in the Atlantic does pose a problem to the Allied fleet, but I would rather let that German sub do its business against the US and UK, and keep the Russian fighter to trade territories with Germany, than to attack the German sub and lose a Russian fighter to the German counterattack.

sorry to interrupt this thread with a noob question, but I thought subs could only attack other sea vessels, are you saying that it gets a counterattack against an attacking fighter?

That was “counterattack”.  It’s probably in reference to USSR using its fighters against German navy on USSR1 before Germany can go, then having to land one of those fighters in Karelia.  Germany can crush Karelia on its first turn regardless of what the Allies do.  So the USSR doesn’t lose the fighter on the USSR turn; USSR loses the fighter on the German turn when the Germans take the terrritory that the USSR fighter landed in.

I dont know who vote for the 8 inf buy, but I think it is not good at all to only buy that. You get no conter-offensive power with those infantry.

I prefer buying one figher in the first round, and 2 inf and 2 art.

I usually send one of my fighter to the East, to help defend india in the first round(s) and to give an offensive power to the grunts i’ve moved to the japanese front. Sooner of later, after the us and Uk are strong enough against Japan, my fighter come back against germany. Having 3 figthers give you the opportunity to trade country with germany without letting him the chance of destroying to much troops.

You can stack a better army behing your line.

This holds Germany back about 4 turns. Only then can they break the stalemate.
Buy 3 inf, art, 2 arm
Bel- 3 inf 2 ftr
Ukr- 3 inf, art,  3 arm
Wru- everything else in reach.
All should be taken over.
Place 3 inf and art on Cau, while the 2 arm  in Mos
move all infantry from east to west, leaving a 4 man plug on Sin and Yak
The Germans will have no cannon fodder to strike back, and if they do, 5-9 inf, 2 art and 3 arm will definately push them back in Ukr.
If they decide to go for Africa hard now, the russians will be in a favorable position for about 4 turns (this is usually enough for the British and Americans to overwhelm Africa and the seas). KGF

There is only a few ways to counter a KGF, and it should be done in the first turn for Germany. I like to buy a AC on med and land a fighter on it. This way the british airforce cant threaten my Africa chain the next turn. I also build a destroyer on the Baltic fleet. This helps them survive (I use them + planes to hit the allied vessels). This leaves Russia run around free in the east having 30+ icps everyturn, but the ipc’s lost in the east can be quickly regained in africa. Japanese planes help alot too.