German strategy for building AC

@goldenbearflyer:

Aarrgghh, I do not like those assumptions about the bid, especially for “newbies” like my son and I (although I don’t consider myself a true newbie).  So, Land Bridge should not even be considered if you have no bid?  I know that’s not what was said, but without the extra troops from a bid, the attack on Egypt makes little sense.

A bid is pretty standard for MOST experienced players, whether casual or tournament.  This is because a well-coordinated Allied plan is very very difficult for the Axis to beat.  (Personally, I think it’s impossible for the Axis to win without a bid, unless the Axis have a good bit of luck somewhere - or unless they really flog the V2 plan, which is not really fun for either player).

Also, you must read the instructions!  Didn’t you hear about what happened to the evil genius that started assembling his Supreme Weapon of Doom without first checking the manual?  After seventy hours of work, he found that he had assembled Barbie’s Super Deluxe Mansion (which made his daughter very happy, but she never DID find the lid to that pot in the Barbie kitchen . . .)

If you have no bid, you almost have to run the Med fleet to Anglo-Egypt.  I think I just did a writeup on this, actually.  how convenientz0rz.

You know, as newbies, I’d say just start playing the game. Make mistakes, and you’ll learn what’s useful, what’s vulnerable, etc. Just have fun with it and get into deeper analysis once you have the “feel” of the game.

@goldenbearflyer:

newpaintbrush:  If you have no bid, you almost have to run the Med fleet to Anglo-Egypt.  I think I just did a writeup on this, actually.  how convenientz0rz.

Right.  But I really liked the effects of the G1 attack on SZ13 and Gibraltar.  Yep, a bid in Libya would have been nice.  Yes, I am of course following your other thread; please see my latest question there.

Yeah, that Gibraltar attack is pretty sweet.  But it does run into a flexibility problem; namely, it is THEORETICALLY possible to unite the German fleet on G2, but PRACTICALLY, it is pretty difficult depending on the Allied air/navy.

What is “convenientz0rz”?  I seem to recall seeing that “z0rz” text in other posts of yours.  Is it part of an emoticon gone bad?

It’s like Pig Latin for l33tspeak.  (Leetspeak is writing with numbers instead of letters, and making obscure references that are “kewl”.  Basically, you pop “z0rz” on to something, and make it l33tspeak.  L0lz0rz.

frrodster:  You know, as newbies, I’d say just start playing the game. Make mistakes, and you’ll learn what’s useful, what’s vulnerable, etc. Just have fun with it and get into deeper analysis once you have the “feel” of the game.

Yep, that’s the approach I’m taking - just having fun.

I think my son will want to try the Axis next, because he was complaining that I started with so many units on the map; then I would definitely offer him a bid plus NA, because otherwise no way would he have a chance.

At any rate, tonight I look forward to destroying the puny Royal Navy and crushing Karelia; then Japan will take Hawaii, and I’ll see how he reacts! :evil:

@goldenbearflyer:

btw, I did NOT attempt fleet unification in the game against my son.  I had no bid, so I really needed the Med fleet to support my attack on Egypt, which went well, and of course my tank is running amok in Africa.  Just to test him, I left the tank alone in FWA after a blitz move.  US is within range to take FWA and kill my tank, but I doubt he will see that move.

Meanwhile, I am using Baltic trannies to build up a big stack in Karel, making Russia nervous!

1.  US taking FWA on US2 is not really all that great, because US has to divert a valuable transport.  Of course, I’m not saying US taking FWA is bad either.  But there are often reasons to ignore FWA.

2.  A big stack in Karelia would have been critical in Classic.  In Revised, a German stack on Karelia is far less of a problem for Russia, as a major German stack at Karelia inevitably invites Russia to either 1) establish a forward position in Ukraine; if Germany advances to Archangel, the W. Russia stack moves back, the Ukraine stack moves back, and Allied fighters move to Moscow, effectively trapping the German army, or 2) Russia pulls hit and run on Karelia, which is basically Russia attacking in great force, ripping the heart out of the German army, then retreating to West Russia, so the Germans have no place to attack.

Ahhh, but what if the German stack just sits in Karelia instead of moves to Archangel.  Now how are the allies going to move troops to reinforce Russia?

@rjclayton:

Ahhh, but what if the German stack just sits in Karelia instead of moves to Archangel.  Now how are the allies going to move troops to reinforce Russia?

Let us say that Germany thinks it can, with Japan’s help, take Moscow.  Then the German stack will not be in Karelia long.  Then the German stack will move to West Russia or Archangel.  Then the Russians can try a hit and run from Moscow using Russian infantry and Russian artillery and Russian tanks and Russian fighters if the Germans are relatively weak at that point (because a strong position at Karelia does not equate to a strong position in Archangel/West Russia, as every turn gives Russia another turn to build up), OR if the Germans are still mighty, the Allies can fly leftover fighters from the Atlantic battle in to defend Moscow.  (Frankly, if the Allies didn’t win the Atlantic battle and have some leftover fighters by the time Germany gets such a big pile of units, the Allies are probably toast).

If Germany just sits in Karelia, the Allies can move units into Archangel anyways.  If the German stack attacks the Archangel stack, Russia can counterattack from Moscow.  IF that is, Japan is not seriously threatening Moscow.  If the Germans have a mighty stack on Karelia and the Japs have a mighty stack on Novosibirsk, though, that’s game anyways.

Tell us more about this “persuasion”.

@newpaintbrush:

Tell us more about this “persuasion”.

LOL!

@newpaintbrush:

If the German stack attacks the Archangel stack, Russia can counterattack from Moscow. IF that is, Japan is not seriously threatening Moscow. If the Germans have a mighty stack on Karelia and the Japs have a mighty stack on Novosibirsk, though, that’s game anyways.

What if Germany just strafes the inferior Archangel stack every turn and continues reinforcing Karelia from Eastern?

@rjclayton:

@newpaintbrush:

If the German stack attacks the Archangel stack, Russia can counterattack from Moscow. IF that is, Japan is not seriously threatening Moscow. If the Germans have a mighty stack on Karelia and the Japs have a mighty stack on Novosibirsk, though, that’s game anyways.

What if Germany just strafes the inferior Archangel stack every turn and continues reinforcing Karelia from Eastern?

Well, if Germany strafes the Archangel stack, then:

1.  Germany’s position at Karelia does not get any stronger, while Russia continues to build at Moscow.

2.  If Germany strafed and did not take, the Allies can move more infantry into Archangel.

3.  Germany wins the IPC trade with UK and US, but UK and US should have around 50ish combined income, at least, as well as a big transport chain.  Germany has to neutralize around 10 infantry a turn once the Allied chain gets going.  (That is - US produces in Eastern Europe, those ground units march to Eastern Canada, then transport group A takes the E. Canada units to London, then transport group B takes the London units to Archangel).  To elaborate, UK should have 4 transports (I usually get 5), and US two groups of 3 transports each.  Since E. Canada is also in range of W. Europe, Germany has to watch out for 10 transports of units moving into W. Europe.  Of course, the Allies MIGHT have used some of those transports against Africa, but that in turn cuts off German IPCs from Africa.

What that proposition amounts to is Germany is contained, and Russia is free to counter Japanese aggression.  Russia ought to have enough units to at least secure Moscow and trade Kazakh/Novosibirsk every turn.  Of course, if Russia is surrounded by Japan, then the Allies have a pretty big problem.  Also, I don’t say this position was inevitable in the first place; the Allies have to secure the north Atlantic for all this good stuff to happen first.  (But I think it’s pretty hard to stop).

I usually trigger Non-Aggression pact J3-J4 ish with overwhelming hordes from Japanese transports.

You will eventually want to invade Russia, and when you do, it’s a lot better to force Russia to lose those infantry to a coastal invasion than having thse infantry in, say, Novosibirsk or Kazakh, or even Caucasus.

My “friend” didn’t give a damn about the Pact and in the third round hit Novo.  Non-aggression pact my commie-red backside!  :-D :x

~~If you attack multiple red territories on the same turn, the first territory you carry out combat in will get the bonus Russian infantry.  The others will not.

You do not have to wait a turn.

Anyways, I wouldn’t trigger it in Kazakh, unless you already had overwhelming numbers there.~~

I disavow this post.  If Japan attacks multiple red territories, Russia DOES get to decide where to place those extra Russian infantry for Nonaggression Treaty.