Scramble - combat sequence?

@dale Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face: .
I have just found this topic in “Find Online Players” so I moved it here.

… even if the attacher has other sea units set aside for bombardments?

This is against the rules, as "If sea combat occurs, all attacking and defending sea and air units present must participate in the battle. " (Rulebook Europe 1940.2, page 18).
So you are not allowed to split your attacking units forSea Combat on the one hand and Bombardment on the other hand.

I see,
@TheOperator said in Scramble planes belonging to friendly powers?:

@Panther Literally the one under “download and rules” on this website. But i checked a paper copy from a friend, and you’re absolutely right. The wording is as you say it is. Don’t know why the digital copy is different.

Actually that one is a bit outdated. AH has released an edited version I think back in 2016. Find the latest versions here:
https://avalonhill.wizards.com/rules

@oysteilo:

@Young:

@oysteilo:

What do you guys think? I am starting to think it is okey. � In most cases the Scotland fighter lives and the gib fighter can defend as well. This means if London buys 6 inf and 1plane you have like 11 inf/mech and 3 planes (2).if everything goes poorly buy 9 inf. Why not?

What about the UK keeping all their income turn 1?

If there’s no Sealion threat… buy all the fighters you like turn 3, but if there’s a Sealion threat… than buy all the infantry you like turn 2.

I think the problem with that is, if Germany does go for sea lion you are only allowed to place 10 units in London, You need more than that

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@Duke:

Most definitely! And I understand that now, I mean it should litterally be descriped as a faze between the declaring combat moves faze and the conduct combat faze

Fully. Declaring intercept, scramble and kamikaze decisions should be their own phase to provide clarity in the rules. Not for any other reason. Actually resolving those things can still be in conduct combat.

Yes, it has to be reactive.

Even with the bid I proposed, Tirano points out to me that they can still easily take down SZ 110 and SZ 111 as long as they bring the BB in.  Don’t know if keeping that UK navy is even possible but after the G42 lessons learned, you need that on the board naval stuff as the nucleus of your fleet if you want to have any chance of even Annoying Germany First.  Unless the bid is allowed to be placed all in one territory (like in the tournament), there doesn’t seem to be a way to save it on G1, and if you are allowed to place all in one territory, he says, why not stack France?  Seems sound…then he cant attack SZ 110 and 111 AND Paris.

Then we fall back to making Egypt and Med Navy tougher, suppressing Italy earlier, like you guys said.  Guess its just the clearest weak point.

@Gargantua:

If your sub fails, and the other sub survives you must retreat.

Even if the attacking sub doesn’t sink the enemy’s sub, the transports can still do debarkment.
It needs only that the other sub submerge.

@goalievogel:

Can planes scramble on Japan against lets say… American subs as long as they have subs or destroyers themselves?

I believe that per the wording of the rules, aircraft can scramble in response to ANY combat move that ends in the adjacent seazone.  So they can scramble against subs.  But they cannot hit them.  So there’s no reason to scramble.

Also, if japan has subs, they wouldn’t help Japanese aircraft hit american subs.  Only a friendly (in this example a Japanese, German, or Italian) destroyer would allow the defending scrambled planes hit attacking subs (as friendly destroyers assist in combat - this is obviously not the case on attack).

You must take the hits on planes/surface warships.