TGC (Germany) vs Kwaspek and DoMan (Allies) - Europe Game 2

@DoManMacgee @kwaspek104

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour moved from Turkestan to Archangel
        15 armour, 10 artilleries and 46 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia
        1 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Iran
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
              Germans take Iran from Middle_East
        1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
              Germans take Trans-Jordan from Middle_East
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
              Germans take Egypt from Middle_East
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France
              Germans take Vichy France from Americans
        3 infantry moved from Germany to Eastern France
        3 infantry moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        4 fighters moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        3 fighters moved from Germany to Eastern France
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Denmark
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Denmark

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber
            Americans defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport
            1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 4 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Eastern France
            Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Eastern France, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Eastern France, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Eastern France
            Germans win, taking Eastern France from Americans with 3 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Battle in Archangel
            Germans attack with 1 armour
            Americans defend with 1 artillery; Russians defend with 1 factory
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Archangel, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Archangel, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Archangel, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Archangel, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Archangel
            Russians win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Denmark
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Denmark
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Denmark
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Belorussia
            Germans attack with 15 armour, 10 artilleries and 46 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 15 armour, 10 artilleries and 46 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 8/71 hits, 20.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
            Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 15 armour, 10 artilleries and 45 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
        2 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        1 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        3 fighters moved from Eastern France to Germany
        4 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Denmark to Germany
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 battleship moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Northern Italy
        4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France
        1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 infantry placed in Stalingrad
        12 infantry placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        2 infantry placed in Northern Italy
        10 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.83
Russians regular : 0.33
Germans regular : -14.00
British regular : 0.33

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@kwaspek104 @DoManMacgee

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France
        2 infantry moved from Eastern France to Vichy France
        3 fighters moved from Germany to Vichy France
        1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Vichy France
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Denmark
              Germans take Denmark from British
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Danish Sea Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        3 fighters moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 armour moved from Iran to Iraq
              Germans take Iraq from Middle_East
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Palestine
              Germans take Palestine from Middle_East

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Danish Sea Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 fighter
            Russians defend with 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Danish Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Danish Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Danish Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Danish Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Russians lost in Danish Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 transport
        Battle in Vichy France
            Germans attack with 3 fighters and 5 infantry
            Americans defend with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 5 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vichy France
                3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Vichy France
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Vichy France, round 3 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries in Vichy France, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Vichy France
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Vichy France, round 4 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Vichy France, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Vichy France
            Germans win, taking Vichy France from Americans with 3 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
        Battle in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 bombers and 1 transport
            Americans defend with 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 4 transports
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers and 4 transports in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                2 transports owned by the Americans lost in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers and 2 transports in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans and 2 bombers owned by the Germans lost in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans and 2 transports owned by the Americans lost in Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
            Americans win with 2 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -22
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 2 bombers and 1 transport
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine and 4 transports

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from Vichy France to Germany
        3 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from East Poland to Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Poland to Germany
        2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        5 infantry placed in Northern Italy
        3 infantry placed in Northern Italy
        8 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : -0.33
British regular : -0.67

@kwaspek104 @DoManMacgee no worries about the AA - I’m happy you both felt that taking that coin flip(ish) was the best option. That could very easily have gone the other way. I guess I felt the game was worse for the Germans than you guys bc I am surprised you made that attack. Very fun game! These two games had the worst G1 opener dice I’ve seen in the 15? or so games I’ve played so far - I’m feeling if the Germans tank this badly, it can be a tough slog. Western Allies did well too. I would continue but really needed those two bombers in the med and no destroyers. GG, well played!

@kwaspek104 @DoManMacgee Can you guys speak to that attack Russia made just now? Why did you do that? I interpret that as you both felt, “there won’t be a better deal and so we should take this now”.

I wouldn’t have done that but am never perfectly sure of the mentality of my opponent. The TUV looked good for allies, the economy looked good…did you guys feel the Germans had more tempo and thus took the risk?

@kwaspek104 @DoManMacgee switching to discord

@DoManMacgee said in TGC (Germany) vs Kwaspek and DoMan (Allies) - Europe Game 2:

@The_Good_Captain To give more context:

You lost an INF attacking Belo, didn’t attack Russia (2 INF) and sent a Tank to attack Archangel. Put that all together + the fact that we had 57% Odds + the fact that your air was out of position to actually punish a failure + the fact that the US/UK guys in Leningrad could have tried cleaning up if it was a near-loss and the original plan was to “try 1 round of combat and see what happens”.

I was just going to back up to Moscow if the first round of dice went badly but after 1 round of combat our odds jumped to 82% so I just rolled on at that point.

My/Our question to you Re: this game is why you pulled everything out of ME early only to about-face and go back into ME later in the game. We were anticipating a ~60% odds attack for Germany Vs. Moscow at one point earlier in the game, which made us bend over backwards to rush everything into position to keep the odds to just 60% your-favor (instead of something decisive like 85+). Yet, to our surprise, the attack never came, and you pivoted into an econ-game despite having pulled pieces out of the ME previously.

Because I already played the 60% game. Been there done that several times now -nothing new to learn there. I’ve also flipped the board economy in Germany’s favor before and forced concession without a fight in Moscow. Since the goal is to cut videos about best practices, the intent was to experiment with a mid-game attempt on the economy (again - given that I’ve already seen the script you just mentioned).