L23 ABH (X) vs Pacifiersboard (A+60) OOB

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

slight ncm exchange of two units (Inf./Mech.)

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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

I had forgotten to move the Russian sub in the Med to sz97 - may I edit it?

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

Do I remember the rules right, that if I don’t attack your sub in sz19 I can conduct the Amphibious Assault regardless of a successful kamikaze? And that I couldn’t if your sub was attacked? If both is true I don’t wanna attack your sub and need your kamkaze decision.

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@gamerman01

@pacifiersboard When you say amphibious assault, do you mean bombardment, or just the ability of the ground units to land and attack

I think the kamikaze creates a battle - just like it can prevent a shore bombardment. What I’m not sure about is the order of the process if the kamikazes sink the destroy. Does the ignoring the sub happen 1st, thus allowing the unloading; or can the SZ no longer be cleared.

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L23 ABH (X) vs Pacifiersboard (A+60) OOB:

this is just a destroyer accompanying the transport to suppress my sub. My understanding is that I can’t kamikaze if there is no actual battle declared since he is ignoring the sub.

If he did decide on a battle and the destroyer is sunk, the transport could not unload.

@gamerman01 @GovZ @Panther

I have tried in local mode now;

• Kamikaze option is given also when not attacking the sub, but if successful landing is still conducted.

• In case I attacked the sub but kamikaze is successful the transport will face the sub and can only retreat.

Is this all according the rules?

You guys are mostly right

The intention of amphibious assault with a destroyer accompanying means a kamikaze strike may be launched at the destroyer (the destroyer is part of the combat move)

If the destroyer is hit by kamikaze, the amphibious assault still takes place and the sub is NOT A FACTOR

The ignoring sub thing is for COMBAT MOVEMENT ONLY,
The sub cannot fight in the combat phase because it has been effectively ignored.

Kamikaze can only sink the destroyer, it does not bring the sub into the battle, and it cannot possibly stop the amphibious landing.

@gamerman01

great, thanks!

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

so I don’t attack the sub and the landing will take place, but you may call a kami against dd - do you?

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 airfield, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        EDIT: 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 bomber moved from Morocco to Western United States
        1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Tunisia to Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 17 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Kiangsu

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 17 Sea Zone to Korea
        2 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 4 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        2 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 3 destroyers, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 4 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk

    Place Units - Americans
        1 airfield and 1 factory_minor placed in Korea
        1 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4,5,2,6,3,4,6,6,4,2,4,5,4,2,2,1,6,2,3,3,3,5,1,5,1,3,6,6,2,3,4,2,3
        Americans collect 53 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 53 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
              Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
              Chinese take Chahar from Japanese
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung
        1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Shantung
            Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Shantung, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shantung, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shantung
            Chinese win, taking Shantung from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Jehol
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Jehol, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Jehol, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
            Chinese win, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Jehol to Kiangsu
        4 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu

    Place Units - Chinese
        2 infantry placed in Kiangsu

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 12 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to Burma

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 106 Sea Zone
        Battle in Burma
            British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
            British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 infantry moved from West India to India
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from India to West India
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
        3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
        1 aaGun moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Bryansk to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Bryansk to India
        1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 artillery moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        3 aaGuns moved from India to West India

    Place Units - British
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
        1 submarine placed in 106 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5
        UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1,17
Japanese regular : -1,00
British regular : 0,33

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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

Game History does not match, I will check savegame soon

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

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kami now?

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 destroyer moved from 17 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to 19 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Korea to 19 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 19 Sea Zone
            Americans loiter and taunt; ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 19 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 19 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 19 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win, taking 19 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from 19 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 30 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia

    Non Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0,17
ANZAC regular : 1,17

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some times, sinking ;)