axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4

  • '19

    aa sorry didnt see your message.


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    I have no idea but to me it already looks like game over. I hate this kind of game. Exactly what I would do and now Russia’s fun is over. Ill keep playing it out without doing anything silly but I just dont know what else Russia is supposed to do.

    Just seems like it turns into a toss of the dice on G1. I suppose I regretted scrambling 110 immediately since I could clear your bb on UK1 and then it probably evens out, but I have been hosed whenever I have given the chance for a scramble to the allies so I figured I would try it and despite great dice in France losing all those UK units is so painful. Thought with no ships, a few air left an all ground buy on G1 and trying to be greedy in pac that I could get away with a factory in Egypt but I guess not.

    I understand the frustration that often comes with a sea lion situation where Russia’s progress seems to get checked, and suddenly you’re facing a fast-expanding Japan that you have to deal with as well. there are definitely some things I will advise you on after our game is over, that I believe you could’ve done better. however, I’m not so certain this game is over yet… I think it’s one of the more intriguing games one will find, definitely off the beaten path. I mean UK pac combined with Russian and Chinese stacks really puts a lot of pressure on Japan, while your fleet presence isn’t that bad either. and then you have all that Russian income, and a sizable incoming allied presence floating in as well, though I am surprised you didn’t anticipate the gib naval base bombing by getting one established in Morocco.

  • '19

    @axis-dominion Germany could have bombed the Gib base. I knew it would get bombed eventually. Perhaps it was a mistake but I was willing to live with it.


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    @axis-dominion Germany could have bombed the Gib base. I knew it would get bombed eventually. Perhaps it was a mistake but I was willing to live with it.

    well a couple figs there would’ve deterred that, or a naval base buy in Morocco in anticipation.

  • '19

    I could have put a single ftr in Gib but that didnt guarantee it wouldnt get bombed. Perhaps that would ahve been enough to deter you from bombing it with Germany but I wasnt sure and didnt feel like abandoning the Med to Italy which I felt was the alternative to sitting in 92. 2 ftrs there seemed like equivalent punishment to the allies as the bombed naval base but maybe not.


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    @axis-dominion Germany could have bombed the Gib base. I knew it would get bombed eventually. Perhaps it was a mistake but I was willing to live with it.

    thing is, in situations like this, timing is very important. by allowing me to cripple your naval options from 91/92, it can really buy euro axis the time it needs to do all the land recovery (eg scandanavia) while regrouping, fortifying, and then trying to push back the red army.

  • '19

    @axis-dominion maybe. I looked at it with Gib defended and came up with what I felt like were reasonable plays for the axis. Not like I could move to 92 and threaten UK and I couldnt threaten Italy efficiently either so I needed another turn to really make things happen.

    I dont think your moves are much different even with the base still functional but maybe not.


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

    Game History

    Round: 6
    
        Research Technology - Germans
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 6 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
            2 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Finland
            1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Vyborg
            1 fighter moved from 114 Sea Zone to Novgorod
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Novgorod
            1 artillery moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            2 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from 114 Sea Zone to Baltic States
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Norway
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Norway
            1 carrier moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 115 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Norway
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports
                Russians defend with 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
            Battle in Novgorod
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Norway
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Norway, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Norway, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Norway
                Germans win, taking Norway from Russians with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Finland
            Battle in Baltic States
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                Germans win, taking Finland from Russians, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Vyborg
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 5 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
                Germans win, taking Vyborg from Russians, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 aaGun moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 aaGun, 10 armour, 13 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            8 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            6 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from France to Northern Italy
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Norway to United Kingdom
            1 destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            3 transports moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Baltic States to Slovakia Hungary
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Norway to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
    
        Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            9 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            3 infantry placed in France
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 3 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,3,3
            Germans collect 39 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 39 PUs
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 44 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : -2.50
    Germans regular : -2.83
    

    Savegame


  • @axis-dominion said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    bid is:

    ss 106 ss 111 marine Ind 1 ipc UK pac

    OUCH that convoy!

    yah I don’t think this game is over yet, honestly, and if nothing else, playing out could deepen your SL experience. but really I also understand how it can feel frustrating and futile at times, so I understand if you did call it game.

  • '19

    @axis-dominion yep, I wanted to see how it plays out so I will play it out as I have no idea how sea lion goes.


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    @axis-dominion yep, I wanted to see how it plays out so I will play it out as I have no idea how sea lion goes.

    then your lack of experience with it is all the more reason to play it out, I agree with that.

  • '19

    @axis-dominion I just fail to see how everyone says sea lion is an auto loss for germany. I dont think I necessarily invited it but I fail to see how a strong russia for a turn or two makes a big difference and I dont see what else I could have done with russia to prevent things from stalling this coming turn.


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    @axis-dominion I just fail to see how everyone says sea lion is an auto loss for germany. I dont think I necessarily invited it but I fail to see how a strong russia for a turn or two makes a big difference and I dont see what else I could have done with russia to prevent things from stalling this coming turn.

    no, it’s misleading if anyone says SL is an auto loss! but it’s also not an auto win even when London goes well. there are a lot of considerations that go into a SL game, and it’s just as much of an interesting struggle as any other scenario.


  • those people who are saying it’s an auto loss are not doing it right


  • also, I’ll admit, my SL was on the weaker side… I could’ve done a couple things a bit differently, and it was fairly risky. but I purposely wanted to take greater risks and have more fun in this one. so far it has paid off, but this game is far from over.

  • '19

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 6

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

    Game History

    Round: 6
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 armour, 10 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Greece to Albania
                  Russians take Albania from Italians
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Romania to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
                  Russians take Korea from Japanese
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Italians regular : 0.33
    Russians regular : -0.83
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    @axis-dominion will need casualties in yugo (2 inf 1 art) vs 2 inf 1 aa 1 hit
    and then in EPol


  • @ksmckay said in axis-dominion vs ksmckay (allies+18) bm4:

    @axis-dominion will need casualties in yugo (2 inf 1 art) vs 2 inf 1 aa 1 hit
    and then in EPol

    You can take out the gun

  • '19

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 6

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

    Game History

    Round: 6
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 armour, 10 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Greece to Albania
                  Russians take Albania from Italians
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Romania to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
                  Russians take Korea from Japanese
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Yugoslavia, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Yugoslavia, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                Russians win, taking Yugoslavia from Italians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Italians regular : 0.33
    Russians regular : -0.83
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    @axis-dominion one in EPol

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