TT MajikAndrew (X) vs Pejones (A+56) OOB

@trulpen Very well then. From now on it is assumed all ANZAC fighters are on US carriers, unless otherwise stated. For the current record then 2 ANZAC fighters are on an ANZAC carrier in sz 55.

Please hold. I have an issue with this and need some time to put my thoughts in order.

I think we are all in agreement that at the end of US13 there were 3 ANZAC fighters on US carriers in SZ55. There was also 1 ANZAC fighter and 1 ANZAC tactical on a UK carrier that moved to SZ39 on UK13 and 2 ANZAC fighters on an ANZAC carrier in SZ42.

On ANZAC 13 the 4 ANZAC planes not on the US carriers either died (tactical) or moved to India or SZ39. The ANZAC carrier moved to SZ55 and the Queensland fighter landed on it. So, there should have been 3 ANZAC fighters on the US carriers and 1 ANZAC fighter on the ANZAC carrier. Apparently, the game shifted one ANZAC fighter to the empty ANZAC carrier slot and this is where the error occurred. I think this occurred because the Allied Player moved ANZAC fighters back and forth before deciding what to do so once the fighter left the SZ and came back via undo the game landed it on the ANZAC carrier instead of the US carrier.

On US14 the US fleet moved to SZ54, edited to SZ33, taking with it the now 2 ANZAC fighters. On ANZAC14 the two ANZAC fighters in SZ55 flew to India. Only one should have been able to make it while the other one should have been in SZ33. This is where the error was realized yet not discovered.

On J15 the Japanese had an all air attack on India that would have guaranteed India to Japan if successful. However, with the extra ANZAC fighter there that should not have been there, it was a 56% battle instead of the 70% battle it should have been. I do not think the Axis would have conducted the attack at 70% so no actual benefit was gained by the error.

Since the Allied forces are now recombining in SZ55 the ANZAC fighter could make it there on a free ride from SZ33 via the US carrier or India on the ANZAC Turn. The difference being that coming from SZ33 it will now be able to participate in the Java attack where it would not have bene able to do that from India.

Since the Allies gained no actual benefit from the error than it seems reasonable to allow the correction, even though it is now a full Turn later, so they may not be disadvantaged by the error. If the Allies had benefited from the error, I would be against allowing a correction that then instituted another benefit.

I have no issues with this correction. Please proceed.

@Pejon_88 @trulpen @AndrewAAGamer Excellent analysis. I came up with the same movement error although I failed to look at the implications for Japan. An even more important reason to call out shared allied fleet capacities.

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 15

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 33 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 55 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java
            ANZAC attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                ANZAC roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from Java to 55 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 5 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        5 fighters moved from India to 55 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
        ANZAC undo move 1.
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0,33
ANZAC regular : 1,17

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 15

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 33 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 55 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java
            ANZAC attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                ANZAC roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from Java to 55 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 5 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        5 fighters moved from India to 55 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
        ANZAC undo move 1.
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0,33
ANZAC regular : 1,17

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 12 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
        2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Bryansk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Iraq
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Turkey to Iraq
        1 armour moved from Greece to Iraq
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Albania to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Albania to Iraq
        3 bombers moved from Germany to Iraq
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Iraq

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Iraq
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 6 bombers, 2 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry; Russians defend with 2 aaGuns and 1 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Iraq : 1/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Iraq
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 6 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Iraq, round 2 : 7/12 hits, 6.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 aaGuns owned by the Russians, 2 artilleries owned by the British, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Germans win, taking Iraq from Russians with 1 armour, 6 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
            Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns and 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
            Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 2 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Ukraine
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 mech_infantrys
            British defend with 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 mech_infantrys in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 mech_infantrys in Ukraine, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Ukraine from British with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Bryansk
            Germans attack with 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Bryansk
            Germans win, taking Bryansk from British with 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Denmark from Americans to Germans
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 armour moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 armour moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
        11 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Western Germany
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        4 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Turkey
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey
        6 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Iraq to Turkey

    Place Units - Germans
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Turkey
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Greece
        7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 9
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1,6,1,2,6,2,4,3,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
        Germans collect 55 PUs (9 lost to blockades); end with 55 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 79 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : -0.67
Germans regular : 0.83
British regular : -1.67
Russians AA : 0.00

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Forgot to blitz Denmark. Edited it during Non-combat move.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Combat Move - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Combat Move - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from 105 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to 92 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Move Summary: Japanese round 16

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 6 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 bomber moved from Philippines to Java
        1 bomber moved from Philippines to Celebes
        7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea

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Scramble 54?

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 6 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 bomber moved from Philippines to Java
        1 bomber moved from Philippines to Celebes
        7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in New Guinea
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in Celebes
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Celebes
            Japanese win, taking Celebes from Americans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Japanese roll dice for 7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 10/17 hits, 9.67 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC and 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer and 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        7 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to 46 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Kiangsu to 46 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        5 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 fighter moved from 44 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 bomber moved from Java to Malaya
        1 bomber moved from Celebes to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from Philippines to Malaya
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to French Indo China
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Hunan
        1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Hunan
        2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 battleships, 12 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 2 infantry, 8 submarines and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Japan

    Place Units - Japanese
        2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        3 infantry placed in Malaya
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 79 PUs; end with 79 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 84 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Japanese regular : 1.33
ANZAC regular : -0.67

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@trulpen @Pejon_88 No worries. His health is of the upmost importance. Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery!

@majikforce Thanks! I might be able to play tomorrow, but priority is taking care of the wife and daughters. But just FYI if things move slower ahead.