Question on newly occupied territory after combat phase

@drice_new

I was confused by the rules for a while regarding that. I thought it was each group (all units that hit a 1, all units that hit at 2) roll for all the units.

When I moved on to Global 1940 and brought that mistake with me, it led to a problem where 12 US bombers (give or take) were unable to sink a Japanese fleet of 1 aircraft carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, and 1 battleship.

I figured it out later on, and I’ve been playing correctly for a year.

@scottbrooks said in Combat Questions:

re: #2

So I fully understand, could you clarify / confirm?

Western US is a separate square from sea zone 42. In this case it is 2 moves to get from the land to Midway, in zone 43

You cross three borders (WUS to 42, 42 to 43, 43 to Midway) so it is three movement points.

If that is true, how does it work when attacking a zone like square 45 with Japan surrounded by sea? Using Midway as a staging point, is it 3 moves to get to the Japanese mainland (43->44, 44->45, 45->Japan)?

No. You would cross four borders: Midway to 43, 43 to 44, 44 to 45, 45 to Japan). Note that you would not be able to land your fighter then. So a fighter move would be impossible.

In case your fighter started from a carrier in SZ 43, it would be three movement points to attack Japan. You could land on a carrier in SZ 45, then, provided this can be established as valid landing point.

If this is true, can planes overfly an occupied sea zone (e.g., 45) to stage an attack on Japan?

Yes, but only in case you can - during combat move phase - demonstrate how to land them during noncombat move phase.

Wait? This means I might actually be playing and interpreting a rule CORRECTLY???

I’m sorry, this is a foreign experience….

Ok. Back from cloud 9.

Thank you guys all for assisting me in grasping this.
I’ll be back im sure with more questions.

@Red:

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I attack German Held West Russia with all units from Karelia, Archangel and the Tanks and fighter from Russia and Caucasus

Say after 1 round of attack, I have killed two German Infantry leaving 1.   I want to retreat after reducing the enemy force concentration.

The rules read that all units must withdraw to one friendly place.  I choose Archangel.  
So the infantry are then done moving having used 1 movement to the attack. (And since I committed everyone from Karelia, the space is now empty).

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?  The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

Just trying to understand the movement rules for retreating.  not saying I like the attack scenario itself!

@Bob77:

All the units would retreat together, to a territory where they came from.
Since you had units in the attack from archangel, you may choose archangel. BUT all retreating units must go to archangel, tanks and fighters too.
If you had the same scenario, but had amphibious troops as well, the amphibious troops may not retreat but all others may go to archangel.

From the rulebook:

@rulebook:

Condition B�Attacker Retreats
The attacker (never the defender) can retreat during this step.
Land and Sea Units: Move all attacking land and sea units in that combat that are along the battle strip to a single adjacent
friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land or sea units moved. In the case of sea units,
that space must have been friendly at the start of the turn. All such units must retreat together to the same space, regardless of
where they came from.

Air Units: Retreating air units remain in the contested space temporarily. They complete their retreat movement during the
Noncombat Move phase using the same rules as air units involved in a successful battle.

So remaining land units retreat together to a single adjacent friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land unit came from.

Air units retreat independently during Non Combat Move Phase being allowed to use all their remaining movement points,

so yes to
@Red:

The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

but no to
@Red:

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?

as no unit - except air units - may move during as well Combat Move Phase as Noncombat Move Phase.

Yes that is right CB

Correct:

@rulebook:

A fighter based on a defending carrier must land on the same carrier if possible after the battle. If that carrier is destroyed in
combat, the fighter must try to land elsewhere. It must land on a different friendly carrier in the same sea zone, move 1 space
to a friendly territory, island, or aircraft carrier, or be destroyed. This movement occurs during the Noncombat Move phase,
before the acting player makes any noncombat moves. Carrier-based fighters are always considered to be defending in the air,
even if only submarines are attacking.

@tsaa:

1:can a battle ship bombard landtroops?

No, offshore bombardment is not part of the 1941 ruleset.

@tsaa:

2:can ships pass between ireland & nothern island? it seems to be a small passage there…

Yes, the seazones 6 and 8 are adjacent.

@tsaa:

3 how do you know where it is allowed to out ships you build? For Russia, can they only put their ships in the north? Germany- can they put new built ships in the meditaranian?

Ships can be placed only in seazones adjacent to territories containing an eligible Industrial Complex. At the beginning of the game Germany for example can place ships only in SZ 6. Russia has no adjacent seazone. SZ 18 next to Caucasus is pointless because you can’t move ships out there.

@tsaa:

4: in sea battle, is it correct the transports only can be destroyed when there is nothing else to “put behind the casualty zone” in other words transport will always be killed last?

Correct. Transports can be chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units.

@tsaa:

6: is a destroyer needed to attack a sub only when there is a plane attacking? or can any naval unit attack a sub without the presence of a destroyer?

Planes can hit submarines only when there is a destroyer belonging to the same nation as the plane joining the attack.
Naval units with an attack value don’t need a supporting destroyer.

@tsaa:

7: does subs attack with surprise attack in every round?? I thought it was only before the battle in other words only 1 time…

The surprise strike takes place in every round of combat.

@tsaa:

8: in south amierca, can all ships pass through the canal or only the side that controls the country (is it mexico?)

The side that controls Central America (from the beginning of the turn) may pass through the canal.

HTH :-)

@Krieghund:

There is no battleship bombardment in this game, so sea units can never attack land units.

Yeah, my mistake. I sometimes just jump in and start reading random forums. I forgot which one I was in.