L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

can i now take amur without activating the mongolian trigger?

I think so. Will check the rules in a while when I’m less pissed off.

we have messed up mongolia politicaly here so we cant rely on triple a

but i think that mongolian treaty stays still

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 18

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 31 Sea Zone: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 transports
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Wake Island: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 31 Sea Zone: 2 transports
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 31 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 33 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Americans buy 2 carriers, 3 fighters and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for British and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Dutch and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for French and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Germans from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Japanese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Axis from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

    Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Spain
        2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Spain
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Spain
        1 fighter moved from 87 Sea Zone to Spain
        2 artilleries moved from Gibraltar to Spain
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French West Africa to 87 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 87 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Spain
        1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone
        13 fighters moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in 29 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 29 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 29 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            Americans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
        Battle in 26 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 14 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 14 fighters in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 7,00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 13 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Spain
            Americans attack with 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry
            Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Spain, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 4,17 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 6 infantry in Spain, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Spain
                Americans roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Spain, round 3 : 4/10 hits, 4,17 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 3 infantry in Spain, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Spain
            Americans win, taking Spain from Neutral_True with 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 10 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 10 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        13 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Gibraltar to Spain
        3 fighters moved from Spain to Gibraltar
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 87 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Alaska to 1 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 10 Sea Zone to Western United States
        1 bomber moved from Spain to Western United States

    Place Units - Americans
        2 carriers, 3 fighters and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 4 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Afghanistan
        2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Nigeria
              British take Nigeria from Italians
        1 armour moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
              British take British Somaliland from Italians
        1 armour moved from British Somaliland to Italian Somaliland
              British take Italian Somaliland from Italians
        1 artillery moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Union of South Africa to French Central Africa
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French Central Africa
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to French Central Africa
        1 fighter moved from Persia to Afghanistan
        1 fighter moved from Persia to Northwest Persia

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 80 Sea Zone
        Battle in Afghanistan
            British attack with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Neutral_True defend with 4 infantry
                British roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Afghanistan, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 4 infantry in Afghanistan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Afghanistan
            3 artilleries owned by the British retreated to Eastern Persia
            Neutral_True win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 3 infantry
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
             retreated to Northwest Persia
            Italians win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
        Battle in French Central Africa
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in French Central Africa, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in French Central Africa, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in French Central Africa
             retreated to French Central Africa
            Italians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from Afghanistan to India
        1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to India
        1 armour moved from Eastern Persia to India
        1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Ethiopia to French Equatorial Africa
        1 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Belgian Congo
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
        1 fighter moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
        1 bomber moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa

    Place Units - British
        1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Persia
        1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 71 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,5,1
        British collect 22 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 22 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1,3
        UK_Pacific collect 2 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 2 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : -2,50
Italians : 2,00
Americans : -0,67
Neutral_True : -0,33
Japanese : 0,67

Savegame

take ur time with the edits

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

take ur time with the edits

Can’t play anymore now for a while, so you go with Italy when you feel like it.

make ur edits first

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

I think if it happens its not because of dice, but because axis play was better. the dice were with me in some small battles, but i had a big loose in a key battle in sz 91. the dice are then just an add to the play that marked its path to victory.

what really hurt for u was sz 110 in first round, other things are bunch of small battles later in the game which i dont think if went on average would secure allied win.

axis are dominant on all fronts.

I only partly agree to that analysis. Nevermind.

we dont have to agree, but i know the feeling when U are behind in a game , trying to even, and u expect slightly more then average dice, and u get the opposite. it hurts

Italian African inf hero!

and for NW Persia, i had some problems there too, messy mountainious territory, hard to take

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

take ur time with the edits

Can’t play anymore now for a while, so you go with Italy when you feel like it.

i cant play now too will do when i find some time

cheers

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

I think if it happens its not because of dice, but because axis play was better. the dice were with me in some small battles, but i had a big loose in a key battle in sz 91. the dice are then just an add to the play that marked its path to victory.

what really hurt for u was sz 110 in first round, other things are bunch of small battles later in the game which i dont think if went on average would secure allied win.

axis are dominant on all fronts.

I only partly agree to that analysis. Nevermind.

we dont have to agree, but i know the feeling when U are behind in a game , trying to even, and u expect slightly more then average dice, and u get the opposite. it hurts

That’s not true. I expect even less than average dice and still fail. I didn’t do anything fancy neither in FCA nor NW Persia. Secure battles. Atleast in NW Persia, and main point in FCA was to atleast kill the fucking dude.

thats dice
cant change it

thats why i dont have big expectations from small battles

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

so U ve attacked the neutrals. what a surprise i must say.

Why? It’s more or less forced.

i didnt expected it

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

And three land units. That’s pretty secure.

But you hit 2/2 first round (which made the huge difference, of course), 0/2 second round and 1/1 third round. That’s 3/5 with 33 % probability per dice.

I hit 0/4, 1/2, 0/2 with much higher probabilities.

It’s a more or less sure battle. Unless it’s me against you, of course…

yeah, it must hurt especially when it happens a few times , and the odds were totally in ur favour, but its not the reason allies are behind in this game, and the dices are numbers they get even sooner or later, in the long term, of course

i want to say, even with average dice, axis would be leading, but leading less then now thats true of course