L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3


  • wait 1 more fig


  • 4/4

    usa simply cannot have a lucky battle xd


  • so i have 1 bom
    u have a sub and 2 figs

    i resign


  • Actually, I think both sb’s got shot down. The figs can’t hit subs.


  • no wait i have to take 2 bombers down since u dont have a des

    my sub stays and submerges , only not if u want to fight with urs but i somehow think u do not


  • Yeah, it will submerge as well.


  • @Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

    i resign

    Are you sure?


  • TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 14

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

    Game History

    Round: 14
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 5 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 9 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Politics - Americans
            Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for British and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Dutch and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for French and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Germans from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Japanese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Axis from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 33 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 33 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 marine and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Korea to Jehol
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            2 artilleries moved from France to Holland Belgium
            4 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Philippines
            Battle in Jehol
                Americans attack with 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Jehol, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Jehol
                    Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
                Americans win, taking Philippines from Japanese, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Americans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northwest Persia
                    Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northwest Persia
                Americans win, taking Northwest Persia from Germans with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Persia
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery and 1 factory_minor
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Persia
                Americans win, taking Persia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Americans attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Suiyuyan
                Americans win, taking Suiyuyan from Japanese with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Americans attack with 4 artilleries and 4 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 4 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 4 artilleries and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
                3 infantry owned by the Americans and 4 artilleries owned by the Americans retreated to France
                Germans win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers and 6 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 3 submarines
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 6 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                    3 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 33 Sea Zone
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
                EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Japanese owned units to: carrier = 1
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 33 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Japanese and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in 33 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese Submerged
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 5 submarines
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 1 bomber and 3 submarines
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 cruiser
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 33 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Caroline Islands: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : 0.00
    Americans : 1.67
    Japanese : -0.17
    

    Savegame


  • so if i am not mistaken

    u ve lost AC, cruiser, 2 des, 2 subs = 56

    i ve lost 5 subs, 2 bombers, = 54

    we re near as it was on average


  • Looks about right.


  • @trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

    @Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

    i resign

    Are you sure?

    from the battle not from the game haha

    i mean i retreat if i can with my sub? can that be done ? or i have to submerge?


  • have to go now this move took too much time 2 hours

    come back later


  • You should be able to retreat.


  • are u sure?


  • Yes, you are the aggressor, so at the start of the next battle round you have the option to retreat.


  • if so i ll move to sz 23


  • @trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

    Yes, you are the aggressor, so at the start of the next battle round you have the option to retreat.

    yeah i know but its sub and u dont have anything but sub. but if u say so. i will


  • TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 14

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

    Game History

    Round: 14
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 5 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 9 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Politics - Americans
            Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for British and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Dutch and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for French and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Germans from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Japanese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Axis from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 33 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 33 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 marine and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 artillery moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Korea to Jehol
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            2 artilleries moved from France to Holland Belgium
            4 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Philippines
            Battle in Jehol
                Americans attack with 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Jehol, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Jehol
                    Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
                Americans win, taking Philippines from Japanese, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Americans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northwest Persia
                    Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northwest Persia
                Americans win, taking Northwest Persia from Germans with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Persia
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery and 1 factory_minor
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Persia
                Americans win, taking Persia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Americans attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Suiyuyan
                Americans win, taking Suiyuyan from Japanese with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Americans attack with 4 artilleries and 4 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 4 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 4 artilleries and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
                3 infantry owned by the Americans and 4 artilleries owned by the Americans retreated to France
                Germans win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers and 6 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 3 submarines
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 6 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                    3 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 33 Sea Zone
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
                EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Japanese owned units to: carrier = 1
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 33 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 33 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Japanese and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in 33 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese Submerged
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 5 submarines
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 1 bomber and 3 submarines
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 cruiser
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 33 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Caroline Islands: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : 0.00
    Americans : 1.67
    Japanese : -0.17
    

    Savegame


  • Yes, one sub came from Hawaii, right?


  • I’m not sure, let me check the rules and try to discern which comes first, retreat or submerge.

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