AARHE: Main Topic Board (Phase 1)

I think to finish phase one … we still need some rules for neutral armies? any ideas?

Neutrals:

1. You cannot enter the territories or airspace of any neutral nation unless you first declare war upon them. each minor neutral has its own historical forces and in some cases either the allies or axis have a certain affiliation with them allowing their “conversion” as part of this alliance.

2. the following list of neutrals and their military forces:

Spain: 5 Infantry, 1 armor, 2 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 destroyer, 1 IC
Turkey: 4 Infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 IC
Sweden: 3 Infantry, 1 artillery, 1 armor ( 3 IP value)
Venezuela: 2 Infantry ( 2 IP value)
Mongolia: 2 infantry ( 1 IP value)
Rio De Oro: part of spain ( no value)
Angola: 1 infantry ( 1 ip value)
Peru: 2 infantry (1 IP value)
Argentina: 3 infantry, 1 destroyer ( 3 IP value)
switzerland: 2 infantry ( no ip value)

Spain: new value= 6 IP
If the axis conquer gibrater, suez and control all territories that “circle” the medditeraen sea ( except turkey) and control the caucasus territory for one complete turn then the axis get to roll one d6 1-3= conversion to a full minor axis ally. 4-6 continued neutral status. One roll is granted every turn the axis meet these conditions.

Turkey: new value= 5 IP
If the axis do all the following plus conquer persia, then they get the same roll.
In both cases Germany uses their IP value and builds only units from these territories.

Argentina: If the axis attack south america and occupy any territory in the americas, they roll a d6 1-3 Argentina goes axis 4-6 stays neutral.

Sweden and Switzerland these nations stay neutral and are basically limited axis trading partners. If the axis decide to invade them, they only get their income ( swiss have none).

If Turkey does not become an axis ally she will enter the war against the axis immediatly when the Soviets occupy all formerly german occupied Soviet territory.

all other neutrals can be converted by either side as follows:

the axis or allies can make one attempt per turn to convert any one neutral nation on their side. Roll one d6 if you roll equal to or less than their IPC value they become allies, and their forces are converted into pieces from the nation that converted them. The IPC value is added to that nations total. If you roll higher no effect try again.

Yeah the neturals rule would make it historic.
Don’t have the background the diplomatic relations of WWII so you guys talk it out.

Do you or theduke have programming background to roll out a software for playtesting Phase 1?

I like the Most of the “neutral” rules, however wasn’t it decided that “neutrals” are part of Phase 2?? We have a separate topic for it…

I am not sure if its phase two or one… but welcome Micoom as a member of our team … if that courtesy hasn’t been sent allready by another member.

The neutrals are based on history…except its real close on giving the turks a destroyer…

other than that i would further propose that as i have read the minutes of the meetings and letters between Hitler and Franco about the latter joining the axis… it was also Francos wish to obtain former French colonies of western africa and direct aid from germany i the duration of the pact… This left Hitler with a sour spirits and he never again approached Franco for a direct alliance feeling the cost was too high.

So to be even more accurate germany has to give 2 IP in aid to spain and release its claim to west africa which is now part of spain.

So lets list out date and countries that switched sides or declared war on each other and so on…and why so.

Since no neutrals were ever invaded after 1942, it seems that the simplest solution would be to say that neutrals in the game can’t be invaded. This would simulate history.

This argument can be extrapolated to many other aspects of what we are doing. On techs for example then if we follow this path Rockets are only available for germany, Super subs for germany, jet fighters for germany, Heavy Bombers for US…long range planes for USA… basically denying most of the nations the “possibility” of development of these weapons.

Germany didnt (rather wasnt) able to take any more neutrals because after the summer of 1942 she found herself on the losing end of things, but the game presents the “possibility” of Germany doing better then in the real war… thus neutrals must be allowed to be more than mere “obstacles” To do anything else it basicically akin to “sweeping dirt under the rug” the OOB rules were quite lazy with their treatment of this subject… Thats where we come in and make changes for the Historical basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_II#National_impacts

Here is a list of these so called neutrals and how they invaribly entered the war with the allies… If we dont include something with them our project looks real bad as a historical varient.

Neutrals were basically no very neutral. Even if Germany didnt have a chance to invade them.

OK then well move this to phase two… But to complete phase one we need something else to wrap it up. Or the other phases will have to much new stuff to learn. Perhaps we can allow attack on neutrals and they have armies as outlined, but no possibility for alliance to either side as this point. In latter phases we install rules about which are pro allies/ pro axis. Because most did not get involved intill 44-45 is only on the basis on how the course of the war developed… The possibility of an axis victory must be also addressed which leads to neutrals becoming involved… just like the potential of say Japan getting “rockets” which is far more remote possibility.

Yeah I think its all in the modelling.
We want a simulation not a replay of history.

But I also like to form basis rules for now for phase 1.
It is gonna require quite a bit of research for the details. It won’t be most efficient for our efforts so play more on other things first.

Ok so:

1. Carrier based fighters are tied to the Carrier until its sunk and
2. Planes have 4 MP per turn, so the carrier can move first hereby extending the range of planes as long as they during the entire course of a turn do not exceed 4 MP

am i right?

So are we finished with phase one? and what is the final wording? Look at Tekkyys post about national advantages… i think they are good. can they be added to phase one? Phase one needs something else.

Its great we further clarified the non-combat “move twice” system for air units.

My take on Fighter movement… They should only be allowed to attack an adjacent zone (including land territory) from there carrier… In real life that is all they could do anyways, and you cut any compications in Naval Fighter Movement… Carriers move then fighters move…

GG

Two Sea Zones
Air units may enter only two sea zones when flying to attack and may enter only two sea zones when returning to land during Returning Air Movement.

Aircraft Carriers
Aircraft carriers may carry Fighters of their own country. Such planes launched from a carrier may move only two sea zones or territory to attack. However, the carrier itself may move up to its full movement capabilities before launching a plane. A carrier must end its movement after launching a plane. After combat, all planes must return to their original carrier if possible. In addition, air units may be assigned directly to carriers during the Place New Units Action Sequence.

so this then?