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AARHE: Phase 2: National victory conditions
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Well with Italy being smaller in IPC output you could make it half the Germans, so Germany has to achieve 75 of those points to win over Japan and Italy…
GG
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Ahh this presents a new problem….
Italy is at 15 IPC currently
50 Victory points is not suitable for them to declare victory… perhaps they are assumed under german points.
However , they have their own agenda… it was not tied to what germany did. IN the early part of the war they attacked Greece w/o even telling Hitler and also 1936 attacked Abbysinia. They clearly wanted a new roman empire and wanted to turn the Medd into a lake. perhaps Germany can goto 75 points and Italy at 25 points? -
and then everybody WANTS to play Italy, because the others do the work and then they win :-)
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clarification
is this national victory condition or individual victory?
the points are just used to measure whether you’ve achieved a “national victory”, not whether you’ve beat all other players in the game? -
25 and 75 would be a kiss fix, but I think we (Imp :)) will need to playtest that idea before just doing it…
If you combine them with Germany and just have the 2 of them together then you could have the “wise” germany advising the “weak” Italy… That was my “idea” in combining them…
GG
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national victory is gonna be interesting
with different goals UK and US might not cooperate straight away
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Of course not and thats the point. Uk has its own interests. They got the armeicans to help in Africa, while the Brits reciprocated at D-Day. The British probably should have invaded the balkans and retook greece for their own interests.
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actually, you know how at the moment only US/UK can really liberate each other’s territories…
what is that was optionally? say US liberates Egypt they can choose to give it back to UK or take it themselves
what would that do?
in the other thread about “free for all” analysis saw that UK is dead
how would that fit in this “superpower diplomacy” (not diplomacy towards neutrals) part of our game?actually maybe this is wrong, maybe WWII had very solid reasons disallowing US/UK to be enemies
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I’ve always wanted to see a free-for-all WW2 game, but I think it’d offset the balance and even turn players ‘away’ from this by deviating too much from standard A&A (same reasoning ehind leaving the map basically the same)
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The the real war if we assigned points to the victors of the war ( as per our method)
you would see that the allies won as a team to be sure, but individually the Soviet player won the second world war, with USA coming in close second, and UK far in back distant third. They really lost WW2 on many levels. They lost their empire and failed to contain USSR. Thei economy was in shambles. Thats why Churchill was replaced by Atlee before the war even ended. A true slap in the face to the map who saved England. All due to the economy destroyed by years of war.
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I just realise we didn’t fill all gaps in our stalinist xeno and axis rule
so what happens after moscow is captured? all three allies can liberate each other’s territories?
why should Stalin be killed/captured if Moscow falls?what is USSR’s national victory condition suppose to model? communism or just national power?
maybe if your capital was captured at least once you don’t get a national victory how ever well you go later in the game?
but that would destroy the diplomacy aspect with the player no longer working towards a national victory condition…
or new national victory condition after capital has fallen? :-D
or for some situation realism wise that player should be knocked out work :-D or maybe work towards allies goal as their new national victory condition…ah…all fiction here
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so what happens after moscow is captured? all three allies can liberate each other’s territories?
why should Stalin be killed/captured if Moscow falls?Once all of the Soviet players factories falls the western allies can be allowed to “liberate former Soviet territories” and land troops. It is considered that Stalin has been liquidated by the new government. A nation falls only when its Industrial factories are taken. Losing a Capital only loses the income. You still fight on untill the last factory is captured.
what is USSR’s national victory condition suppose to model? communism or just national power?
++++ the directives of Stalin’s regime… communism and its ability to force other nations to adopt it.
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He also wanted to extablish a war-time economy, undercut the other allies, purge russia of dissent…
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Soviet Control of Cities, regardless of where they are (especially big ones) are their goal…
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Adonai:
i sent you an email do you like the new player aid? I sent you an example of the Soviet card
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I got the e-mail. They look great… is that what you want me to do with the National Victory Conditions?
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what do you mean Adonai?
how i snational victory condition related to the play aidyeah Imperious I had a look at it
I would prefer a version with a “cleaner” background like revised so its easier to read
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They look great… is that what you want me to do with the National Victory Conditions?
++++ ill send you an email with 6 colums of tables. you can use them.
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It would be interesting if you had to roll for “diplomatic” control if you are certain countries (Germany, Russia, Italy in particular…)
That would expand our ability to make Victory Conditions…
GG
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oh I see now
you wanna put national victory condition onto the player aid cardso thats why there was big space in the buttom right corner
(OOB setup/units section took the whole right section…how it only takes top right)
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