Oil Refinery

@franklin_cain Russia probably go hard at it. They kinda do for the spread of commiesm anyway. Not that those TTys provide it, there just in the way.

Don’t see anything wrong with it. Allies probably get it more than Axis. They and Russia are at a disadvantage oob anyway

Oil has been a very common house rule discussed. I found Burans oil house rule and that is my favorite one I’ve seen thus far, but there is one thing I don’t entirely like. There seem to be 2 main uses for oil in most of the forums.

A- you turn oil in for money. This one doesn’t totally make sense to me because oil doesn’t necessarily mean lots of money. As I look at it, Russia had a ton of oil in the war, but that didn’t mean they could build a massive air force right away, it just meant they had a lot of oil.

B- you use up X amount of oil to move as many of one branch as you want. Like X oil allows you to move your army, or your navy, or your airforce. This one doesn’t makes less sense to me because ANZAC obviously would need less oil to move it’s 3 boats than Japan would to move the entire IJN, yet with this rule, they both require the same amount of oil.

I assume I’m not alone in thinking this. There are some more specific ones I saw a while back but they were still pretty close to what I said in B. The idea of having a supply line intrigued me, as I got started in this by wanting to reflect the U-boat disruptions against convoys better, but I don’t like that the US fleet could be anywhere in the pacific and still get fuel easily just because of a supply line. Maybe that could work good, it just doesn’t seem totally realistic, however on land it would make more sense to me.

Does anybody have a good rule for how to use oil to fuel units? I’d like to stay close to the numbers involved Burans house rule and be close to historically accurate. Of course, I can’t totally accurate in regards to oil production as Baku in the Caucasus was producing like 10-15 times as much oil as Romania.

Thanks for the input. This is Burans rule is referring to-https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/23944/oil-rule-s

will have these available soon.  Package of 6 Each.  Customize your board.

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Here is what I use for my Oil Production Rules. They add bonus income which can be used for Research and Development, Purchasing more units, and Infrastructure development if desired. As a note I use the Global War 39 XL map in my games so some of the territories would need to be adjusted for an A&A Global 40 Map. I generally use the Bonus income for Research and Development to help build up my R&D Labs early in the game. This way I have a good chance getting some really helpful technologies mid game.

New Facilities

#1. Oil Derrick = +1 IPC
#2. Oil Refinery = +1 IPC

Oil Territories
Axis 
Germany West Germany = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Germany Hungary = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Germany Romania = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Germany Argentina = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Italy Albania = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Japan Sapporo = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Total Domestic Bonus IPC = 12

Allies
USA Deep South = Oil Derrick, Refinery
USA Alaska = Oil Derrick, Refinery
USA Western = Oil Derrick, Refinery
USA San Francisco = Oil Derrick, Refinery
USA South West = Oil Derrick, Refinery
USA Mid West = Oil Derrick, Refinery
GBE Alberta = Oil Derrick, Refinery
GBE Upper Egypt = Oil Derrick, Refinery
GBP Bangladesh = Oil Derrick, Refinery 
GBP Burma = Oil Derrick, Refinery
GBP Brunei = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Total Domestic Bonus IPC = 22

Comminturn
Caucasus = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Baku = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Uzbekistan = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Stalinbad = Oil Derrick, Refinery
North Sakhalin  = Oil Derrick
Vladivostock = Refinery
Surgat = Oil Fields
Southern Kazahk = Oil Fields
West Siberia = Oil Fields
East Siberia = Oil Fields 
Total Domestic Bonus IPC = 14

Neutrals
Southern Iran = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Iraq = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Venezuela = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Colombia = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Peru = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Mexico = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Poland Eastern = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Dutch East Indies Sumatra = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Dutch East Indies Borneo = Oil Derrick, Refinery
Dutch East Indies Java = Oil Derrick
Dutch East Indies Celebes = Oil Derrick
Total Domestic Bonus IPC = 20

Oil Derricks and Refinery Rules

#1. These units are fixed at game start and can’t be moved.

#2. These units can be strategically and tactically bombed. Three hit points renders these facilities inoperative.

#3. If the oil producing territory is captured it takes 2 turns for an Oil Derrick to start producing again and 3 turns for a refinery to produce again. The turns to full production are represented as hit point counters placed under facility same as other bombed facilities.

#4. Domestically produced Oil with a clear supply route to the Capital via land or Sea is produced at full production. However Domestic or Foreign produced Oil that doesn’t have a clear supply route to Capital is reduced to half capacity. The Exception is a territory with only an Oil Derrick or Refinery which will have no point value for that turn and again until a clear supply route is obtained.

I’d have to imagine considering making those territories have the ability to build major complexes would be a bit too steep and game altering. It’s an interesting rule though! I like the idea of just producing one more IPC, but not counting towards industrial complex strengths. You can make it so they can be bombed as well and have to be repaired, like any other facility as well. If it’s bombed, you don’t get the bonus income until repaired.

Somebody have test 2 diferent IPC value, like oil? For example;
Infantry 5ipc
Tank 10ipc+5oil

1.  Where did you get the “buttons” your pieces are glued to?  I can’t find anything thats close.  I even thought about painting pennies or nickels (US 1 cent or 5 cent pieces) to glue my pieces on. Would be cheaper than buying anything i’ve seen.

Washers bought from “do-it center” Hillman fender washers– 1/8x3/4— item # 290001— box of 100 for $5 bucks…you can find them on internet and order

2.  Where did you get your pieces from.  And what size are they?  They look like 1/72 or 15 mm.  Having trouble finding good quality but inexpensive artillery, tanks, planes and ships.

Its all skytrex.com stuff  15mm infantry, 1/285 miroarmor, 1/2400 scale naval… about a buck each piece and if you place a large order shipping is free

3.  What size did you blow your map to?

60x36 from AAA flag and banner for about $155 bucks printed on 1/4 thick plastic sheets with vinyl decal applied. www.AAAflagandbanner.com  you send the link and money they print and ship.

I have railroads and oil fleld territory on my A&A game.
(I’m a railfan since 20 years so it was normal to incorporate railraod on my game.
I found a lot of info on the net about railroad line in 1939.
So i incorporated european,asian and american railroad line on my map.

Here’s my house rules.
Each player can move infantry and artillery by railroads.
1 units per territory.
During the non combat movement, infantry and/or artillery can make a 2 two zones move.  The player must use is own railway he can’t pass throught an ennemy occupied zone.
There’s one exception. USSR.
The Russian player can move 3 infantries ( Or 3 artillery) because this player has the trans-siberian railway national advantage.

For oilfiled. It’s simple.
I have 20 oil territory.
USSR 2, USA 2, France 2, UK 3, Chana 1,Italy 1, neutral country 9. 
If you take possession of an ennemy oil territory. The lost player must pay to the new owner, twice of the value of the territory. example. If the german player occupied Egypt (2 IPC). The UK must pay 4 IPC to the german player.

If a player lost all is oil territory he’s going to get a penalty.
At the beginning of his turn he must roll a dice. 
1 or 2: Ground unit cannot attack.
3 or 4 : Air unit cannont attack.
5 or 6 : Naval unit cannot attack.
(No effect for transport and submarine).

Oil is realy important. Infatc, you cannot make the war without that.
For Hitler itwas too late.

Alan.