Oil Refinery

@franklin_cain Russia probably go hard at it. They kinda do for the spread of commiesm anyway. Not that those TTys provide it, there just in the way.

Don’t see anything wrong with it. Allies probably get it more than Axis. They and Russia are at a disadvantage oob anyway

Right. I’m gonna go off of my 1942 reports I saw plus 1940 but if one did less will
Make a note of it since I can’t find a 41 report.
For basically be like
US. 3 oil 3 iron 1 copper 3 wheat
Uk. About the same but will have rubber
Ussr. Same for rest
Axis same but less for Italy and japan. Japs will have to go for oil iron and wheat which they can

So basically values are
Iron 2
Oil 2
Copper 2
Rubber 2
Wheat 1
Needs testing on g40 map and somebody to try out.
You have 3 iron, 3 oil & 1 copper =
14 but can only use up to 3 resource tokens per piece. So iron value is 2, oil is 2 and copper is 2 which equals 6 and any piece but Inf can pay 6 less for. So BB 14 or CR 6 or a free tank or use 4 for an art and use the extra 2 on another piece.
For wheat it costs Inf only 1 less icp for using each token or 1 wheat and 1 copper gets u a free Inf.

Oil has been a very common house rule discussed. I found Burans oil house rule and that is my favorite one I’ve seen thus far, but there is one thing I don’t entirely like. There seem to be 2 main uses for oil in most of the forums.

A- you turn oil in for money. This one doesn’t totally make sense to me because oil doesn’t necessarily mean lots of money. As I look at it, Russia had a ton of oil in the war, but that didn’t mean they could build a massive air force right away, it just meant they had a lot of oil.

B- you use up X amount of oil to move as many of one branch as you want. Like X oil allows you to move your army, or your navy, or your airforce. This one doesn’t makes less sense to me because ANZAC obviously would need less oil to move it’s 3 boats than Japan would to move the entire IJN, yet with this rule, they both require the same amount of oil.

I assume I’m not alone in thinking this. There are some more specific ones I saw a while back but they were still pretty close to what I said in B. The idea of having a supply line intrigued me, as I got started in this by wanting to reflect the U-boat disruptions against convoys better, but I don’t like that the US fleet could be anywhere in the pacific and still get fuel easily just because of a supply line. Maybe that could work good, it just doesn’t seem totally realistic, however on land it would make more sense to me.

Does anybody have a good rule for how to use oil to fuel units? I’d like to stay close to the numbers involved Burans house rule and be close to historically accurate. Of course, I can’t totally accurate in regards to oil production as Baku in the Caucasus was producing like 10-15 times as much oil as Romania.

Thanks for the input. This is Burans rule is referring to-https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/23944/oil-rule-s

Since A&A 1914 came out, I’ve been looking to import some of the rules from there into the Global 1940 game. The rule I’ve been eyeing most is the contested territory mainly, but as this is mainly a result of the limited combat rounds I feel it may limit the game too much. That was until I thought this could be a perfect time to implement oil rules! If you used oil to “buy” extra combat rounds as needed, this could simulate supplying your army as they attack. This really allows the use of the contested territory rules without the limiting effects of a hard one-round cap on combat, as well as limit territory exchanges. I thinking something along the lines of:

**Oil Refinery
Cost: 12-15
Move: 0
Attack: 0
Defense: 0 (AA ability)

Oil Refinery: Oil refineries give the nation that possesses it 3 oil tokens. These refineries can be built in any land territory you control that can support an oil refinery i.e. a territory such as the Caucasus or Romania (places that had a historical set of oilfields during the conflict); you can only have one per territory.**

Somebody have test 2 diferent IPC value, like oil? For example;
Infantry 5ipc
Tank 10ipc+5oil

I do like the idea of refueling ships, but I would suggest that the US player be allowed to use unloaded transports as tankers, as this would represent the massive fleet train developed by the US to support the Pacific Fleet.  You could use that as a US National Advantage that would cost IPC to obtain.

I already add tanker in my house rules.
Tanker = 5 IPC. US, UK and Japan used tanker

1.  Where did you get the “buttons” your pieces are glued to?  I can’t find anything thats close.  I even thought about painting pennies or nickels (US 1 cent or 5 cent pieces) to glue my pieces on. Would be cheaper than buying anything i’ve seen.

Washers bought from “do-it center” Hillman fender washers– 1/8x3/4— item # 290001— box of 100 for $5 bucks…you can find them on internet and order

2.  Where did you get your pieces from.  And what size are they?  They look like 1/72 or 15 mm.  Having trouble finding good quality but inexpensive artillery, tanks, planes and ships.

Its all skytrex.com stuff  15mm infantry, 1/285 miroarmor, 1/2400 scale naval… about a buck each piece and if you place a large order shipping is free

3.  What size did you blow your map to?

60x36 from AAA flag and banner for about $155 bucks printed on 1/4 thick plastic sheets with vinyl decal applied. www.AAAflagandbanner.com  you send the link and money they print and ship.

I have railroads and oil fleld territory on my A&A game.
(I’m a railfan since 20 years so it was normal to incorporate railraod on my game.
I found a lot of info on the net about railroad line in 1939.
So i incorporated european,asian and american railroad line on my map.

Here’s my house rules.
Each player can move infantry and artillery by railroads.
1 units per territory.
During the non combat movement, infantry and/or artillery can make a 2 two zones move.  The player must use is own railway he can’t pass throught an ennemy occupied zone.
There’s one exception. USSR.
The Russian player can move 3 infantries ( Or 3 artillery) because this player has the trans-siberian railway national advantage.

For oilfiled. It’s simple.
I have 20 oil territory.
USSR 2, USA 2, France 2, UK 3, Chana 1,Italy 1, neutral country 9. 
If you take possession of an ennemy oil territory. The lost player must pay to the new owner, twice of the value of the territory. example. If the german player occupied Egypt (2 IPC). The UK must pay 4 IPC to the german player.

If a player lost all is oil territory he’s going to get a penalty.
At the beginning of his turn he must roll a dice. 
1 or 2: Ground unit cannot attack.
3 or 4 : Air unit cannont attack.
5 or 6 : Naval unit cannot attack.
(No effect for transport and submarine).

Oil is realy important. Infatc, you cannot make the war without that.
For Hitler itwas too late.

Alan.