What country is funnest to play?

@Wolfshanze:

@SubmersedElk:

@seancb:

in real life the good guys won

The more I learn of history the less I believe in the existence of ‘good guys’ at all.

You’re confusing current-world issues with 1940s realities… trust me… there were good guys then… you wouldn’t want the Nazis winning and continuing the deliberate genocide of the Holocaust.  If for one second you doubt the good guys won, you’ve got issues.

Very true, Wolf.  However, there’s nothing the NAZI’s did that the Soviets didn’t also do, often to even greater extremes (~50 million murdered under Lenin and Stalin; countless neighbours invaded; the largest slave-labour program in human history; etc., etc., etc.).  In fact, the Germans borrowed their model of the concentration camp from the Soviets.

If you think the Soviets were “good guys” then I’m afraid you, sir, also have issues.  It was convenient for the Western democracies to let them do the bulk of the fighting for us, but that’s where it ends.

@StuckTojo:

If you think the Soviets were “good guys” then I’m afraid you, sir, also have issues.  It was convenient for the Western democracies to let them do the bulk of the fighting for us, but that’s where it ends.

The Soviets weren’t nice guys either… but the world is better off that Hitler didn’t win… anyone who doubts that, also has issues.

Getting back to the original topic…

If you think of fun as being actively involved in the game each turn, then the US does not make the top of the list. Germany, Japan, and the UK would definitely be the most fun because their actions are crucial each turn.

The US would not make this list in many games where a J4 attack is used. Please don’t take this as an assertion that the US is not important to the Allied effort – it is simply referring to the US being rather dull and even frustrating in that J4 situation.

Marsh

It can take awhile for the US to get actively involved in the fighting in any version of the game.  However some might judge fun by having the economic muscle to spend the way they like… so it’s not my job to view what someone else deems as fun… some might enjoy the US economic might as their view of “fun”.

Yep, fun is definitely an individual concept.

Marsh

Uk or russia is my favorit nations to play… china is also nice to play, if you play them smart and clever…Russia is fun because you need to play with patient, and with the right buy, and coordination with your allies, you can make them very dangerous … UK is all over the map, and it the link between the pacific map and the european map…

All over i am a allies player, because i really like the fact the have to work hard together to win the game… the axis play more their own game at each side…

I personally enjoy the UK the most.  Not only are they a good, balanced nation, but there are some nerve racking moments as almost all of your territory is pivotal for the Allies.  In our games the UK is probably the hardest to succeed with and has a challenge that comes with it, keeping the Allies in tact.

@Wolfshanze:

@SubmersedElk:

@seancb:

in real life the good guys won

The more I learn of history the less I believe in the existence of ‘good guys’ at all.

You’re confusing current-world issues with 1940s realities… trust me… there were good guys then… you wouldn’t want the Nazis winning and continuing the deliberate genocide of the Holocaust.  If for one second you doubt the good guys won, you’ve got issues.

I’m afraid you misapprehended me. At no point did I even slightly imply the Axis were good guys.

But if you think guys like Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman were good guys… well, you’ve probably drunk too much government Kool-Aid.

The point I was making is that when it comes to warmaking on a global scale, there are no good guys.

I agree.  All world leaders have their flaws, but only some realize them as such and act around them.  People like Hitler and Stalin did not, I’m afraid.

@SubmersedElk:

The point I was making is that when it comes to warmaking on a global scale, there are no good guys.

Disagree… just because you fight doesn’t make you bad or evil.  When you got Genocidal Nazis taking over countries, rounding up people and killing them, ya… stuffing a flower in the barrel of their Panzer probably won’t stop them… sometimes the good guys have to fight to stop evil.  Back to the point that started this… YES… the Good Guys won WWII.  All current political correctness and rewriting of history to make people feel mushy inside regardless.  The good guys did win.

What if we turn the question around and asked what power you think would be the most fun for a new player?

Marsh

@Marshmallow:

What if we turn the question around and asked what power you think would be the most fun for a new player?

That’s a hard one… because “fun” usually means involvement… lots to do… but the countries with lots to do are also the biggest impact players… so while something like Germany or Japan might be a lot of fun because there’s “lots to do”, its easy to make a bunch of mistakes that will cost you the game playing one of them… conversely, the US and UK can often be considered fun because of either lots of forces worldwide and/or a big budget to buy things… but once again, to a new player, trying to grasp all the amphibious needs of both the UK and US can make for major mistakes if not handled well.  I think the safest countries for new players are either the USSR (just buy infantry and hold on), or the lesser powers (Italy/Anzac, etc)… but then of course, these countries aren’t very fun.

Of course if you’re going to make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs… so toss a new player on something and give it a go.