Where to build Japanese factory: Poll Question

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    I really like these rules.  I am hoping we can play them on Thanksgiving weekend.  Black Friday for us is War Party, hehe.

    How have your games been with Russia?  Can they hold out longer and possibly do something other than retreat?  I have another idea to possibly add to these rules to make it even more historic.  I can’t remember whose post I was reading, they were saying that Russia should have a complex in Urals but it wasn’t possible because of the numbering of this territory.  Do you think adding a minor to Urals at setup would imbalance Russia?

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    @knp7765:

    Young Grasshopper,
    I just  checked out your Production Unit rules and now I get what you are talking about with FIC.
    So, with Egypt, since it has a VC (Cairo) then the UK could build a minor factory there. Also, if Italy were to capture Egypt, the UK minor factory would be removed, but Italy could then build their own minor factory there. Right? Correct Same thing with Germany vs. Russia and the Leningrad factory False, Leningrad begins with a major factory, so when Germany captures it, it will be downgraded to a minor factory that Germany can use. However, if Germany captures the Ukraine, the Russian factory is removed and even if Russia were to recapture the Ukraine, they could not build a factory there because Ukraine is only worth 2 IPCs and has no VC in it. Correct So if Japan captures the Philippines, they can place a minor factory there because of Manila, right? Correct

    KNP
    When I was developing Halifax rules, your mid-level factory idea was by far the most accepted aspect among my group and players at the FMG CON. I wanted to do something that might balance the game by modifying only the production units. Maybe it’s because my group rarely invades Normandy, or builds factories in Alaska or Persia that makes these rules good for us, as these rules have made our games very very interesting without handing wins over to the Allies.

    Here is a YouTube video explanation of these rules…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-BL8m6GqQ

    Cyanight
    A minor factory in the Urals is fine if you want to add it to the setup, as the setup has factories on territories that wouldn’t be eligible if they were purchased (Normandy, Ukraine, South Africa).


  • Wait could the Japanese build a factory in Phillipines? That would be pretty awesome for Japan…

    In my games Italy isn’t strong enough to take Cairo, but it is Germany, after Moscow has fallen, that runs south to take it. Without the persia factory UK is going to have a lot less units there to defend, and UK won’t be able to make fighters that can in one turn get to Moscow.

    I didn’t notice that if You take any minor factory that it is removed. That helps Russia out for sure. In that scenario I would probably wait till T4 to attack with Germany and do a buy something like: T1 6 arty 2 infantry, T2 10 arty 7 mech. That way you would already have the arty there for the final assault on Moscow.

    Hey how has your guys games been going since you instituted the Halifax rules? Have you found merging the economies means you don’t need such a high allied bid anymore?

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    Differences in the Pacific:

    • The U.S can no longer build a minor factory in Alaska, but it can in Hawaii
    • Japan can no longer build a minor factory in FIC, but it can in the Philippines
    • ANZAC can no longer build a minor factory in Queensland, but it can build up to 5 units in Sydney

    Differences in Europe

    • Germany may build up to 5 units in Paris, but they loss the factories in Normandy and Southern France
    • Germany will still get a minor in Leningrad, but they lose the Ukraine minor factory when they capture it
    • Russia may build up to 5 units in Leningrad, and also in Stalingrad with major factories in their setup
    • The Allies can’t build a minor factory in Spain, Brazil, Normandy, or Persia, but neither can the Axis powers
    • Germany can build minor factories in Romania, Southern France, and Norway, but so can the Allies
    • The Allies only have two reachable targets now when conducting strategic bombing raids instead of four

    As for the Halifax rules, as accommodating as my group was for play testing them, there was a belief that the single income with the new Commonwealth nation hurt the Allies more than it helped them. They did however, like the 3 tier production unit profiles, therefore we focused on that when trying to achieve balance and the result was our rules in the link above.


  • How would it hurt them more than help them? If you don’t play with the merged income rules then is the factory in India still a place where you can place up to 10 units?

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    @theROCmonster:

    How would it hurt them more than help them? If you don’t play with the merged income rules then is the factory in India still a place where you can place up to 10 units?

    The distribution of units to protect both London and India is like walking a tight rope, the Commonwealth takes a piece of the UK income and builds units on the outside (Ottawa, SA, Sydney) when that money is needed to protect the inside (London, Cairo, India), and no… you can’t build 10 on India with Halifax rules. Thats what we have found anyways, we prefer the modified production units only, however, a different group may find a way to use the Halifax rules to the Allies benefit, but we are not using the single income, or Commonwealth… just the 3 type production units.


  • Ah I see what you mean. If Germany bought a carrier and 2 transports first turn it could be pretty tough for India.

    My concern with the India factory not being able to produce 10 units is that would make Japan much more likely to wait to attack the allies in the pacific since UK can only put down 5 infantry at most a turn. I think the bombing of India’s IC is not as big a problem as some have put on here that it is.

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    I myself make it a point to bomb India early and often while I secure the Islands, even with a major factory that maxes out at 10, I can neutralize India into a harmless territory that can’t buy anything. Also, when I play against a Japan player who doesn’t invest in such a campaign… I take a sigh of relief.

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    @Young:

    @theROCmonster:

    How would it hurt them more than help them? If you don’t play with the merged income rules then is the factory in India still a place where you can place up to 10 units?

    The distribution of units to protect both London and India is like walking a tight rope, the Commonwealth takes a piece of the UK income and builds units on the outside (Ottawa, SA, Sydney) when that money is needed to protect the inside (London, Cairo, India), and no… you can’t build 10 on India with Halifax rules. Thats what we have found anyways, we prefer the modified production units only, however, a different group may find a way to use the Halifax rules to the Allies benefit, but we are not using the single income, or Commonwealth… just the 3 type production units.

    I don’t know, I’ve been playing a variant of the Halifax rules commonwealth version 2, and I enjoy it quite a lot. What we do in my playgroup is to eliminate all National Objectives, and replace them with general objectives for control of VCs, and a consistent DoW bonus +5 for neutrality which works the same for all nations (simplifies the neutrality rules). No restrictions on when nations may make their DoW.  We set factory locations from the outset, all VCs have a minor factory at the start of play. No additional factory units may be purchased. Minor factories cannot be totally destroyed, but can be damaged by the owner on scorched earth withdraw. Commonwealth capital is at Sydney, to provide a 3rd major pacific target, to counterbalance for Calcutta, and we treat the Commonwealth power like all the others, no special rules pertaining to it. The production profiles as outlined in standard Halifax. Then we add in a minor at all VCs, and that’s it factory-wise. No more production can be purchased anywhere on the gameboard. This means Japan can have their initial starting factories, and factories they can capture, but that’s all. The affected territories are Poland, Kiangsu, Kwangtung, Philippines, Hawaii, Cairo and Ontario which all have a minor at the start. I find it an elegant and a much simpler way to play the G40 game. Uses the 3 tiered scheme, but eliminates the production unit as a purchase option from the game completely. Most will get knocked to minors by the end, but we don’t remove the minor factory unit completely on capture, instead we have captured factories max damage when taken, but the locations are always set from the beginning in terms of where new units can be spawned.

    The basic idea being that if you reorient Japans production, and restrict new production from entering the board altogether, that you can dramatically simplify the gameplay. All VCs have a minor, and then there are the Majors on the board from the standard set up. (I was open to adding a minor at Korea and Romania as a possible option on the set up, if you really want to give a nod to Axis, but nothing more beyond that.) Essentially just picking all the places you want to have production, fix it from the beginning, and remove the units from the purchase roster. I’ve tried doing this with 8 nations UK/Commonwealth and 7 (China under USA), though I favor the latter. In such games there could never be a factory on FIC, Malaya, Persia etc. Balance for the situation is handled through adjustments to starting income, and by the general bonus objectives. I have fun with it, though I suppose I understand if others are less willing to alter the set up to that extent.

    I don’t think its all that hard to get the Canada and South Africa, Single UK economy up off the ground if you use the +5 per VC controlled method over regular NOs. It brings more money to everyone as a way to achieve game balance and restricts the potential production locations at the same time.

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    Seems very interesting Black_Elk.
    It simplifies many things while allowing a lot of way to chose or not to repair and use a given Factory.
    Less NO and more VC bonus seems to focus on the real objective of the game.
    Nice.
    Hope you can somehow add it inside the main thread on Halifax rules, maybe as a third options, or a sub-option of the second option.

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