13L G40 seththenewb(allies+10) vs MagicQ(axis)

MagicQ

@Gamerman01:

This is my ruling. I do not think it is fair to re-roll from round 2, however I think Seth deserves some compensation for you improperly rolling the battle on TripleA after he did everything he could to explain to you why that was inappropriate and technically illegal. I believe that Italy should take off 1 unit that survived the Z92 battle to compensate.

When I said Italy should take off 1 unit that survived the Z92 battle, I meant the Italian player (MagicQ) would choose. I was not aware that one of the units was going to splash anyway. So I meant 1 more unit beyond that.

I stand by my ruling and I don’t see any bad precedent being set. I suppose I need to explain it now.
I’m not a football rules expert, but I know there are penalties that are assessed on the next play when a touchdown is scored. Sometimes they assess it on the ensuing kickoff. AFAIK they do not call back 40 yard runs when there was an offensive penalty that had no effect on the play (runner was past the spot of the hold). I may be wrong about holding, per se, like I said I’m not a football expert but I do know there are penalties that are assessed on the next play. They don’t always bring the play back as if it never happened.

Anyway, I don’t think the battle should be re-rolled from round 2. I also don’t think MagicQ should go scot free. A slap on the wrist is more than nothing.
My TripleA issues document is not law. It is a guide to players on how to follow the rule book when playing Triple A.
An over-arching principle of playing by forum is that whenever reasonably possible, you should stick with the dice that were thrown. You should not be able to get a much better result in Z92 based on a rules technicality that in fact in hindsight made absolutely no difference. Yes I know you’re offering LL re-roll, but that still greatly favors you. You know that a LL result would be much better than the one you got. I understand that you are very competitive. That’s fine, but it has clouded your judgement. I have no dog in this race, so it is easier for me to be objective. You guys need a compromise that you can both agree is reasonable, and so I stand by my ruling which I really think is appropriate.

MagicQ must take off 1 additional unit that he wasn’t already going to lose. So if he had a fighter that was going to splash anyway, then I think he should take one more off to pay for ignoring your wishes.

Respect that! I removed 1 unit. Let’s rock and roll.

MagicQ

@seththenewb:

@MagicQ:

You hope to roll in the forum. And I hope to play triplea dice unless I have to use forum dice. In this case, no forum dice is needed. Don’t you get it?

And LL re-roll is different. I am not sure about it. Let me think about it.

Why do I get the feeling that I’m talking to a wall here. :lol:

What instance(s) would you roll on the forum?

Forget the rolls. Forget what happened. Forget the battle completely. Just wipe it from your memory for a little bit. It didn’t happen. It’s still Italy’s combat move and you’re now set to begin combat. Pretend Gamer ruling was to reroll the WHOLE battle from Rd1. Knowing now that subs illegally fire first despite my subs, do you get why it might be best to roll on the forum so you can roll the subs all together with the rest of your units? You don’t know what your subs will roll and you don’t know what your units will roll. I don’t know what will be rolled.

Are you prepared and willing to roll sub involved combat (we still both have massive fleets in the Pac with subs and destroyers) on the forum? Completely on the forum, no triplea. Maybe you don’t see the need to, but you OK with respecting my wishes as far as sub combat goes?

I don’t know what the subs will roll. True. But I do know what is the right time to stop and ask for OOL. That’s enough from my point of view. I am not totally agree that you say the dice here could be illegal. Still, that’s debatable.

MagicQ

Completely on the forum, no triplea.

All battle involving subs? That will just waste a lot of time. I still stick to my original idea–- roll in the forum only when we have to.

MagicQ

Finish the game as much as we can within the software. That’s my point.

gamerman01

That’s fine, until the software makes you go against the rule book. Seth’s a stickler for the rules, so it would be a good idea to roll on forum dice in certain sub situations (enemy destroyer present, etc etc)

It really doesn’t take much effort to do that. What I do, is roll the forum dice and conduct the battle on the forum, and then edit remove the destroyed units for each side before clicking to roll the battle in Triple A. This way, you can keep Triple A from rolling any dice which prevents accusations that you rolled in both places and chose the ones beneficial to you.

Anyway, just saying, MagicQ if you refuse to roll any forum dice the remainder of this game, you may have more issues with Seth, and he is technically correct.

seth4god

Yea, Gamer’s right if you refuse to roll sub combat on the forums then I will continue to protest each and every battle that you roll in triplea that has subs in it.

Gamer, since you are saying that I’m ‘technically correct’ (although apparently not correct enough to negate his illegal roll this past battle). What is your stance on further combat involving subs? We don’t know what the next combat will result in, so I’m not trying to avoid any dicing. But I did protest his rolling in triplea prior to seeing the results and that didn’t get me anywhere either . . . . :roll:

MagicQ

@Gamerman01:

That’s fine, until the software makes you go against the rule book.� Seth’s a stickler for the rules, so it would be a good idea to roll on forum dice in certain sub situations (enemy destroyer present, etc etc)

It really doesn’t take much effort to do that.� What I do, is roll the forum dice and conduct the battle on the forum, and then edit remove the destroyed units for each side before clicking to roll the battle in Triple A.� This way, you can keep Triple A from rolling any dice which prevents accusations that you rolled in both places and chose the ones beneficial to you.

Anyway, just saying, MagicQ if you refuse to roll any forum dice the remainder of this game, you may have more issues with Seth, and he is technically correct.

I didn’t realize that Seth is such a serious player. It’s good to know that. Respect! No bad feeling at all.

seth4god

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 harbour; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
1 artillery moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
Battle in 42 Sea Zone
ANZAC attack with 1 submarine and 1 transport
Japanese defend with 1 transport
ANZAC win with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
Battle in Java
ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands to Dutch New Guinea

Place Units - ANZAC
1 harbour placed in Dutch New Guinea

Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

MagicQ

@Gamerman01:

That’s fine, until the software makes you go against the rule book.� Seth’s a stickler for the rules, so it would be a good idea to roll on forum dice in certain sub situations (enemy destroyer present, etc etc)

It really doesn’t take much effort to do that.� What I do, is roll the forum dice and conduct the battle on the forum, and then edit remove the destroyed units for each side before clicking to roll the battle in Triple A.� This way, you can keep Triple A from rolling any dice which prevents accusations that you rolled in both places and chose the ones beneficial to you.

Anyway, just saying, MagicQ if you refuse to roll any forum dice the remainder of this game, you may have more issues with Seth, and he is technically correct.

That’s a lot of extra work to do you know. :roll:

seth4god

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 8

Combat Move - French
1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to Egypt

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

gamerman01

@seththenewb:

Gamer, since you are saying that I’m ‘technically correct’ (although apparently not correct enough to negate his illegal roll this past battle).

Right. Case by case. Facts and circumstances.

What is your stance on further combat involving subs?

Players are always supposed to follow the rulebook, so my stance is that a battle like this should have been rolled on the forum, and all battles like it should be.

We don’t know what the next combat will result in, so I’m not trying to avoid any dicing. But I did protest his rolling in triplea prior to seeing the results and that didn’t get me anywhere either . . . . :roll:

I don’t see a cruiser in Z92. Do you?

I should have held you in contempt of court earlier today
I think a compromise was the way to go here. And I’m not one of those guys who complains about sports analogies - I love them - but they sometimes don’t apply very well.
Now if you don’t stop questioning my call, in sports I would be able to eject you from the game.

gamerman01

@MagicQ:

@Gamerman01:

That’s fine, until the software makes you go against the rule book.� Seth’s a stickler for the rules, so it would be a good idea to roll on forum dice in certain sub situations (enemy destroyer present, etc etc)

It really doesn’t take much effort to do that.� What I do, is roll the forum dice and conduct the battle on the forum, and then edit remove the destroyed units for each side before clicking to roll the battle in Triple A.� This way, you can keep Triple A from rolling any dice which prevents accusations that you rolled in both places and chose the ones beneficial to you.

Anyway, just saying, MagicQ if you refuse to roll any forum dice the remainder of this game, you may have more issues with Seth, and he is technically correct.

That’s a lot of extra work to do you know. :roll:

It’s a lot of extra work to explain all this stuff to you two!

Seriously, it took me longer to explain that and type it than it takes to actually do it.
Rolling on the forum and editing in Triple A should only take 60 seconds, max. In a game where you should be spending hours and hours making decisions, 1 minute is nothing.

Cheers :-)

seth4god

Triplea’s fine if it’s a single sub vs single ship with maybe some air thrown in on either side. But when there’s multiple ships on either side involved and at least 1 sub is present than it should be rolled on the forum. Unless it’s like say the entire IJN against a single sub. That really doesn’t happen all too often, so it’s not that much work.

If it is still too much work, I offer to give you the win. I’ll just walk away from this because it’s not worth the hassle and I’d prefer not to play against someone who doesn’t respect an opponent or the rules.

gamerman01

@seththenewb:

Triplea’s fine if it’s a single sub vs single ship with maybe some air thrown in on either side. But when there’s multiple ships on either side involved and at least 1 sub is present than it should be rolled on the forum. Unless it’s like say the entire IJN against a single sub. That really doesn’t happen all too often, so it’s not that much work.

If it is still too much work, I offer to give you the win. I’ll just walk away from this because it’s not worth the hassle and I’d prefer not to play against someone who doesn’t respect an opponent or the rules.

I really think that’s over-reacting.

gamerman01

@seththenewb:

Triplea’s fine if it’s a single sub vs single ship with maybe some air thrown in on either side. But when there’s multiple ships on either side involved and at least 1 sub is present than it should be rolled on the forum. Unless it’s like say the entire IJN against a single sub. That really doesn’t happen all too often, so it’s not that much work.

Right

(That’s what I was trying to post on the previous post)

gamerman01

@MagicQ:

I didn’t realize that Seth is such a serious player. It’s good to know that. Respect! No bad feeling at all.

gamerman01

@MagicQ:

Nope. Seth is a great person. He helped me a lot for this one my 1st league game.

Seth, I do believe MagicQ respects you more than any other player in the league respects you :lol:

MagicQ

@seththenewb:

Yea, Gamer’s right if you refuse to roll sub combat on the forums then I will continue to protest each and every battle that you roll in triplea that has subs in it.

Gamer, since you are saying that I’m ‘technically correct’ (although apparently not correct enough to negate his illegal roll this past battle). What is your stance on further combat involving subs? We don’t know what the next combat will result in, so I’m not trying to avoid any dicing. But I did protest his rolling in triplea prior to seeing the results and that didn’t get me anywhere either . . . . :roll:

Let Gamer create a poll thread and ask how the majority of league players in this forum prefer it. That would the simplest solution. LOL

gamerman01

lol good point, but I feel like I’ve been beating a dead horse all day, so I won’t :-)

Seth, what he’s trying to say is you’re being a rules Nazi! Lighten up, man! Now unbutton that top button on your shirt and have some fun already!

seth4god

I don’t. Yeah, I’m pretty competitive and I’d rather win than lose. But honestly I love playing the game more than anything and I don’t want to get sucked into a no fun game. Different case for playoff or tourney game. But this doesn’t mean much to me.

And right now this game’s not giving me much joy because myself and MagicQ aren’t on the same page about the sub issue and who knows what else might crop up down the road. If it’s this much hassle, I’d rather focus on my other games and start new ones than continue this one. It’s up to MagicQ though if he’s prepared to spend a couple of seconds to roll sub combat. Besides he never responded to my earlier question about what situation forum dice are needed.

As far as the poll, it’s not needed. I’ve played tons of games in league and nonleague play on this forum. I’ve also lurked in quite a few games. This is the first time I can remember where anyone has had an issue rolling on the forum.

The only other player I can think of is Bold, but that’s more because he has bad luck and blames the forum rather than make & wear garlands of 4 leaf clovers, buy all the rabbit feet available on Ebay, and avoid black cats. :-P

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