Worst part of the game so far

I’ll say for sure nobody on this board will by the game to get that derogatory map, they will buy it to get the new inf pieces to use as neutrals in the G40

I’ve wanted an A&A WWI game for so long I’m going to find the time to do my own board.

Tempting to base it on my own variant, but need to test the full OOB version a few times before deciding what to change.

But East Prussia is being fixed for a start, not having that.

Probably lose Lorraine to bring Paris back where it should be; if this needs rebalancing I’d rather give Germany fewer starting units.

Probably keep the diamond, but with the projection I’ve used on my maps, so that for example “Mesopotamia” can be divided north/south with Armenia having the Black Sea border.

The worst (at least I think) is that italy is allied, and in the war from the start. Why don´t they have a delayed entry, or an option to join the centrals?

What is the East Prussia problem?

@Shakespeare:

What is the East Prussia problem?

That the area isn’t under German control and that somehow it is part of Poland.

Just got the newsletter so thought I’d roam back over to this board.  Interesting to see a WW1 game, but after the debacle that was Global 1940, I think I can wait a few years to pick up a copy.  Make sure all the rules have been ironed out…and the game they send is complete… 
/Can’t believe I paid money to be a beta tester for Global A&A, no thanks!/
  Larry you work out the rules and make sure the product is complete and then MAYBE I will spend some money on it, after reading the reviews.

Not sure why you are upset about Global 1940- its the best A&A game available.  I for one am glad they released it when they did and allowed a wider audience to play it an iron out the balance and ruleset.  You don’t even have to buy the 2nd edition- You can print out the rule book and setup.  Now, if you want Italian and ANZAC sculpts, then well I guess you’re buying.

I thought it was pretty awesome to be part of the Alpha testing.
Back when only one of my friends had A&A G40, we went from playing a few OOB sessions to Alpha+ 2 when we discovered it, then to Alpha+ 3 when it came out and now Second Edition.

I think having played with different set ups and rules is part of what made the experience of playing Global 1940 one of the best I’ve had so far with board games.

Where is none of the above? Have you guys even played yet?

@JimmyHat:

Just got the newsletter so thought I’d roam back over to this board.  Interesting to see a WW1 game, but after the debacle that was Global 1940, I think I can wait a few years to pick up a copy.  Make sure all the rules have been ironed out…and the game they send is complete… 
/Can’t believe I paid money to be a beta tester for Global A&A, no thanks!/
  Larry you work out the rules and make sure the product is complete and then MAYBE I will spend some money on it, after reading the reviews.

Welcome back! I’m glad the newsletter pulled you back in.

“Mission Accomplished!”  :wink:

Well, myself and rmorel think it’s one of the best edition of A&A yet, so now you have an opinion from two people who played the game.
Article here: http://j.mp/142Zk0H

@djensen:

Where is none of the above? Have you guys even played yet?

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complants about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should atleast play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complaints about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should at least play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

Best post of 2013!

Totally correct, these peeps reworked the entire game before playing it. It’s laughable!

I understand about being enthusiastic about a new product, but all these rule changes without seeing if the game is balanced first must be a joke.

@Razor:

I’ll say for sure nobody on this board will by the game to get that derogatory map, they will buy it to get the new inf pieces to use as neutrals in the G40

Hey Razor, off topic but relevant to your post, Attack! by Eagle games is a great resource for neutral sculpts. It was going for as cheap ten bucks on Amazon.

@Yavid:

@djensen:

Where is none of the above? Have you guys even played yet?

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complants about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should atleast play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

We have seen quite a lot of it, actually. As it stands it seems that the Russian Revolution can actually hurt the CP. There’s nothing wrong with knowing what you want out of the game, knowing that it is or isn’t there, and looking to change it to suit the tastes of yourself and those you play with. Larry shouldn’t have to take crap for not making a game that perfectly pleases everyone, but those who want to change it to make it more fun for themselves are not obligated to play a game to know what is going to make the game more fun for them and brainstorm, especially with the large amount of info we have.

The game looks great!  House rules? No problem. Generic sculpts? I grew up with Classic. Buying a copy? Hell yeah… maybe two.

@Imperious:

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complaints about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should at least play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

Best post of 2013!

Totally correct, these peeps reworked the entire game before playing it. It’s laughable!

I understand about being enthusiastic about a new product, but all these rule changes without seeing if the game is balanced first must be a joke.

Point 1: When the mistakes and anachronisms are so glaring, it’s plenty of provocation to start musing about things we’ll change. I mean, c’mon:

• Moscow is magically the capital of Russia. I don’t care if it’s for gameplay or whatever, add fluff territories or just give the Russian player the challenge of having a coastal capital.
• East Prussia, the site of one of the most famous battles of the war, is nowhere to be found.
• The U.S. can frolic about Western Europe, before their war effort was even a twinkle in Woodrow Wilson’s eye.
• Railroads, a hallmark of this era of warfare, aren’t represented at all, and the nature of the map doesn’t imply that they are worked into normal movement.
• The Russian Revolution rules are poorly written and lead to confusion.
• Tanks aren’t balanced between their cost and their combat effectiveness.

Point 2: We’ve ‘seen the game’ plenty. As early as a few months ago, we had solid rules relayed anecdotally from the game’s designer. Granted, we haven’t played (besides the Brits), but I don’t think it’s far-fetched at all to start brainstorming houserules (I’ll mention again that such activity only adds traffic to this site, not sure why you would be upset or incredulous about that.)

Yes but you haven’t played it yet. :-D  All those changes will alter balance in some cases. Find out if it’s balanced then consider changes. Those changes will require a new setup.

Or throw out the rules and make your own game using that map and those pieces. Officially this hodge podge of " i declare this game sucks and here’s my 50 pages of house rules to prove it" vent is more laughable than the OOB rules.

You got to admit it’s entertaining to see how many want to change it before they got it. :mrgreen:

@IL I don’t think too harsh a judgement can be made without actually playing it, that I can agree with. However I don’t think that we ever get the best product any more. That being said I’m excited about this game. I have had disappointments with the franchise ever since Revised (My UK units aren’t lime green like everyone else’s brand new copy) and AA50 as far as quality of materials. Without going too off topic some of the rules and regulations in the series have been complicated and confusing to a casual old school classic player.

Still I will buy this game and if nothing else it looks like a lot of fun. I can see a possible after game showdown between the victors incorporating WW2 sculpts. I don’t mind far fetched, that’s what I loved about Classic possible but improbable was always fun and you could always change things.

Production glitches were made, but declaring the game needs a major change in terms of it’s ideas is premature if it was not played.

And the ideas are fine, just that you will be better informed if a few games have been played first.