Jmite (axis) vs Jenn(allies) alpha 3 no tech v10/25 game 2

@crockett36 said in AndrewAAGamer Solo Test:

Is the purpose of this tactical, strategic or mathematical?

Both strategic and mathematical. Their is a broad discussion among a few of us, both on and off this site, as to how balanced DDay is, so some of us on this site are doing some testing to determine if it is balanced and if not how badly out of balance it is.

Originally some said it was as bad as 10% Allies vs 90% Axis or 20% Allies vs 80% Axis while I was saying 50% vs 50%. But based on the testing I am doing now it appears I was wrong - it does not appear to be 50-50. Not sure how much out of whack yet, still trying to figure that out. My current guess is 30-70 based on some of the numbers VictoryFirst is showing.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java ANZAC take Java from Dutch 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Java 2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Java 1 destroyer moved from 64 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 cruiser moved from 65 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 3 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 14 PUs Politics - French Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Algeria Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 cruiser placed in 95 Sea Zone Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Tunisia Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Southern France Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 artillery placed in Southern France Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Morocco Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Syria Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in French West Africa Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Tunisia Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French West Africa Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Central Africa Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Algeria Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Syria Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Morocco Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Algeria Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove: has removed 1 cruiser owned by French in 95 Sea Zone Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Tunisia Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove: has removed 1 destroyer owned by French in 95 Sea Zone Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Southern France Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove: has removed 1 artillery owned by French in Southern France Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Morocco Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Madagascar Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Syria Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Southern France Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Indo China Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3 Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Guiana Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in French West Africa Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@VictoryFirst said in AndrewAAgamer (Allies) vs. Germany (Ragnell804):

@AndrewAAGamer said in AndrewAAgamer (Allies) vs. Germany (Ragnell804):

Would you be able to calculate when we get Bad dice or Very Bad dice in two or more areas? That should be important too.

I think what will be difficult here is defining what territories belong which areas. For example a battle in G28, should you include it under Caen or St. Lo? Units there can go either way. An approach like this is almost impossible.

I guess I wasn’t clear. I am not looking for you to peruse the game I just had and figure out what the dice variable was. I was hoping, if possible, due to your math skills, if sometime in the near future you would be able to tell me certain odds like you just did. For example:

Odds of at least 1 area area with Bad dice Odds of at least 2 areas with Bad dice Odds of at least 1 area with Very Bad dice Odds of at least 2 areas of Very Bad dice

That way, once, and if, we can confirm the Allies win 100% of the time with even dice, or dice favorable to the Allies we could assign percentages to the varies bad dice and come up with some estimate of how often the Germans would win. BTW if you did that it would be awesome if you used 16% / 68% /16% as the low, normal and high parameters.

All I want to test for is IF the Allies get fair dice would they win every time.

Alright, that sounds logical, taking one step at a time. My first guess they wouldn’t but I am going to play a solo game first with this. I want to see what effect the average dice will have on the game. After that we can play.

Here is a link to a solo test I started. I will place the methodology instructions there that I am using for the testing.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41401/andrewaagamer-solo-test?_=1733436170864

@DoManMacgee to the death.

@Karl7 your subs each get to fire a shot. If they miss, I can submerge or fire back.

Did you fire once in each of those battles?

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 aaGun and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Rostov Russians take Rostov from Germans 1 armour moved from Rostov to Stalingrad 1 armour moved from Russia to Yaroslavl Russians take Yaroslavl from Italians 1 armour moved from Russia to Bryansk Russians take Bryansk from Italians 1 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia 4 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Samara 1 armour moved from Yaroslavl to Russia Combat - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Stalingrad 1 aaGun and 9 infantry placed in Russia 1 infantry placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 34 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 36 PUs Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 38 PUs

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@crockett36 said in crockett36 vs myygames A+6 oob:

@Myygames having problems loading page. Ran out of time

It works well for me…