Stop the madness, and start the presses

@Young:

“stop the madness and start the presses”.

Or play A&A  GLOBAL 1939  :-D

J.  8-)

PS Check it in A&A variants

I like orignal Alpha +3 setup, and absoultely hate some of the rule changes. I love this site, and will continue to use it as it’s a great source for game aids and strategy discussions, but I’m hopping off the changes for the sake of making changes train. I’m going to play with the Alpha +3 setup, minus the airbase deductions in the med and the changes made to France and the Soviet Navy. I’ll take the rule variants I think make sense and with a few additions I’ll have my own setup.
Enough’s enough, stop fussing over a game that doesn’t need it and make something new. Make a game based on Korea, American Revolution, or American Civil War.

C

I think that the only changes that need to be made are the ones that people are actually having problems with. I don’t ever remembering people asking for a change to convoy disruption rules. I do believe that the changes with SBR rules are beneficial. I would LOVE to play with a lot of the great house rules that people propose in the house rules section, but i feel that if i do, it will unbalance the game because it hasn’t been “officially” play tested. If Larry checked out some of the house rules, he may see that there are some mechanical things that really might add a lot to the game.

@Carnage:

I like orignal Alpha +3 setup, and absoultely hate some of the rule changes. I love this site, and will probably continue to use it as it’s a great source for game aids and strategy discussions, but I’m hopping off the changes for the sake of making changes train. I’m going to play with the Alpha +3 setup, minus the airbase deductions in the med and the changes made to France and the Soviet Navy. I’ll take the rule variants I think make sense and with a few additions I’ll have my own setup.
Enough’s enough, stop fussing over a game that doesn’t need it and make something new. Make a game based on Korea, American Revolution, or American Revolution.

C

Just saying… but you include yourself in that. You are now fussing over what you think went to far. Either you play it 100% how Larry made it, or you are “make(ing) something new”. Which is completely fine too, since you bought it, but don’t go hating on people who are trying to fix it according to their opinions, while saying that your own opinions are also better than Larry’s.

I’d love to see CRD go back to how it was, but I can live with it as is.  I think many of the newer changes were made to make the allies ridiculously powerful again. (Sicily should NOT be worth 3 IPC to Russia!  I don’t fraggin care how much Stalin wants to go surfing!)

I think with sufficient bids (+30 to play Axis and I’m standing by that until some things change again to rebalance!) the game is playable.

Yes Jen but that’s potential Russian money, which takes significant Allied investments to achieve.
On the other hand, Britian has been nerfed incredibly hard in the set-up.
And in strange ways, too.  How does removing Gibraltar’s air base - and thus basically giving the Med to Italy - help with the initial problems of balance?  Strange changes like that confuse me.

It’s as much potential income as Korea is potential income for Russia.  They’re about equally as hard to attain with Sicily, Cyprus, Ireland and Sardinia being the easier of the two.

We’re not talking any additional American/British investment, just what they normally do anyway.  As for Russia, we’re talking an extra transport and that’s it, which is something pretty easily expensed considering the massive gains!

I’d like to see the Alpha 3 of a month ago be the final Alpha 3 and leave it as that.  All the later changes really didn’t help much and I really do think the Alpha 3 from back then was just balanced as perfectly as you can get without the game being Chess or Checkers.  There’s always going to be some difference, it’s the world and it’s not equal anywhere.

I dont think the answer was to take 20 IPC in units from England to make France easier then double Russia’s money.

I dont think the answer was to remove some bases from the Med instead of just moving Italy up in the turn order or moving the British fleet to SZ 81 or SZ 76.

I dont think the answer was to turn off a factory or base if it had 1 damage or more.

I do think the answer is to have technology tokens.

I do think the answer is to make objectives mutually exclusive (to get your objective, you have to take away your opponent’s objective.)

I do think America should be barred from the war until certain achievements have been met, not some artificial time.  Any one of the following, or more:
A) America is attacked
B) The British Isles are attacked
C) Egypt is attacked
D) Leningrad falls
E) Stalingrad falls
F) Any allied capitol falls
(Note, Attacked =/= taken, if you fail to win, the territory is still attacked.)

But that’s just me.  As it stands now, my Russia will never fall, my Russia will probably have a fleet attacking Japan as I’ll soon get bored of collecting 70+ IPC and have nothing else to do with it.  :roll:

Ireland: 3 IPC
Crete: 3 IPC
Sardinia: 3 IPC
Sicily: 3 IPC
Norway: 6 IPC
Finland: 5 IPC
Sweeden: 6 IPC
Moscow: 3 IPC
S. Ukraine: 2 IPC
N. Ukraine: 2 IPC
Rostov: 2 IPC
Caucasus: 2 IPC
Smolensk: 1 IPC
Karelia: 1 IPC
Novgorod: 2 IPC
Volgograd: 2 IPC
Belarus: 1 IPC
Bryansk: 1 IPC
Kazakh: 1 IPC
Tambov: 1 IPC
Vologda: 1 IPC
Arkhangelsk: 1 IPC

Total: 52 IPC in relatively easy to get and maintain territories. 
Needed: 28 IPC

Turkey: 5 IPC
Baltic States: 1 IPC
E. Poland: 1 IPC
Romania: 6 IPC
Hungary: 6 IPC
Poland: 6 IPC
Greece: 5 IPC
Yugoslavia: 5 IPC
Bulgaria: 5 IPC
Albania: 4 IPC
S. Germany: 7 IPC
N. Italy: 7 IPC
Holland: 6 IPC
Denmark: 5 IPC
Portugal: 4 IPC
Spain: 5 IPC

Take your pick, in any case, eventually Russia is earning so much money that Germany cannot possibly beat it back at which point, the Russians start pushing the Japanese back and the Germans and hit the heartland of Europe.  Once you get there you are making more money than the United States of America at which point, you get REALLY bored and start dropping Aircraft Carriers and Battleships in SZ 100 to start signalling your opponent it’s time to give up so you can play again.

Sweden easy to get? Apart from the dumbness of attacking true neutrals… how?

Also: how do you get Russians to Ireland, and anywhere in the med without them being intercepted even before they get sea-sick??

(and for the rest: i agree with grasshopper)

@special:

Sweden easy to get? Apart from the dumbness of attacking true neutrals… how?

Also: how do you get Russians to Ireland, and anywhere in the med without them being intercepted even before they get sea-sick??

(and for the rest: i agree with grasshopper)

USA/UK attack and clear Sweeden with airplanes.  Russia walk infantry in.  Done.

And it’s pretty simple to get a transport in SZ 127 and sail it down to the Med without losing it to the Germans.  For one, they have to have something in range of it and that’s not going to happen too soon in the Alpha 3 rules.  For another, the Allies can protect it just fine when it is in range of the Axis.  The only “trick” is building the transport at the right time so you don’t risk allied flexibility.

Oh, and if you dont want to go SZ 127 route, how about allies clear Turkey, Russia take Turkey, Allies sail into SZ 100, Russia puts transport in Black Sea, then everyone moves out to take Med.  Just for an alternate route.

Or even Russia puts infantry on American/British/Australian transport, lands troops whereever it wants, for a third route.

But all those things imply to be already pretty far in the game, and by then Russia should be under severe pressure from Germany, not having the money or freedom to build transports and go sailing around.

Your taking of (in this case) Sweden also implies that the Allies have already taken (and secured) Norway, unless they have a considerable carrier fleet closeby (if not all that air force can’t reach Sweden), and are willing to take expensive casualties in order to give Russia a few IPC’s bonus).

And the islands around Italy are protected by scramblers (and an italian fleet unless it has been killed off). As for Turkey, to be taken by Allied troops (not Russia) also means the game is somewhere in a further stage (and probably already having neutered Italy). If by then Russia is still strong, the Axis have lost already, and then those bonus IPC’s just help in rounding up the game.
Which would not be such a bad thing.

@special:

But all those things imply to be already pretty far in the game, and by then Russia should be under severe pressure from Germany, not having the money or freedom to build transports and go sailing around.

Exactly, if the German player allows you to build a fleet to protect your transports, than you might as well end the game because he sucks so bad.

If you assume that Germany is going to attack Russia G3, tell me your buys before and after this happens.

It is legal to attack any enemy unit with just airpower if you so choose.  You just cannot take the land, which is sort of the point.

Remember, you can load an infantry from S. Ukraine onto an American transport in the Black Sea just as easily as putting your own transport out there.  After all, even with “under heavy pressure” from Germany, Russia should still have a large enough pay check to afford one guy to not be in Russia defending, especially if that ONE GUY is getting the Russians an unhistorically large amount of money for useless territories.