More German Subs

I’d say the sub number is fine, but no German destroyer!  That is where I’d add the unit.

Remember this is 1940, Germany didn’t start with that many subs, but built tons during the war.  If you want to recreate the sub war you’re going to have to build them!:)

You should just throw in an NO.

Provided Germany does This  whatever this ends up being, they get to place 1 free sub a turn at the end of thier turn.

Could you imagine the effect that would have?

I like it. If Germany’s IPC value is -Blank- (I dont have the board in front of me so lets say 35) they control the three German homelands and France then they place one sub in the baltic. Consider this the german version of the japs kamakazies.

Bah.  Change the rules so that submarines can retreat if they survive a round of combat, offensive battles OR defensive.  It’s stupid that a single destroyer with backup planes can destroy an entire sub stack with the current rules.  Maybe have destroyers’ effects on subs only work on a 1:1 basis.

A sub or two can be a good option early in a game, especially if this can dictate what U.K. has to buy .For every sub you buy, U.K. needs a Destroyer , or the U.S.A.  I’ve found that they work better in groups of 2 or more.

FYI Every unit in the game, with the exception of AA, works better in groups of 2 or more.

Thank you for your worthwhile contribution.

@SgtBlitz:

Bah.  Change the rules so that submarines can retreat if they survive a round of combat, offensive battles OR defensive.  It’s stupid that a single destroyer with backup planes can destroy an entire sub stack with the current rules.  Maybe have destroyers’ effects on subs only work on a 1:1 basis.

If you have a SINGLE destroyer and a bunch of air, all that stack of subs needs is ONE hit and the air becomes unable to hit the subs (as the attacker can not take fighters as casualties against sub hits).

New Rule?

Germany can place a sub in its collect income phase instead of collecting a National Objective bonus

Eh I like the idea that they get a free sub if the Axis control all of France, Germany controls S.Germany, W. Germany, and Germany, AND Germany is making at least 40 IPCs.

Germany has sufficient to start with, can easily buid more if you like

Yeah but thats not the point. Most German players use everything they’ve got to take Russia and don’t build subs. We just want some historical stuff going on.

Wow, I find german subs to be soooo useful, I tend to buy 1 a round, or perhaps 3 in France if I can afford it.

It only takes 3 turns of convoy raiding for a sub to pay itself off, and lots of Subs and aircraft around UK can make it hard for the US to take that island back.

just give Germany 1 free sub a turn (6 ipc) and russia 1 free tank per turn (6 ipc).

i am personally against giving freebies for anyone

@Ruanek:

@Rorschach:

@SgtBlitz:

Bah.  Change the rules so that submarines can retreat if they survive a round of combat, offensive battles OR defensive.  It’s stupid that a single destroyer with backup planes can destroy an entire sub stack with the current rules.  Maybe have destroyers’ effects on subs only work on a 1:1 basis.

If you have a SINGLE destroyer and a bunch of air, all that stack of subs needs is ONE hit and the air becomes unable to hit the subs (as the attacker can not take fighters as casualties against sub hits).

It’s still a net loss, though (probably).  The subs can take out the destroyer, but they can’t even target the planes.  Meanwhile, the planes and the destroyer can probably get rid of at least 2 subs.  This is probably going to be a situation where the subs are defending, meaning they only hit on a 1 anyway.

I agree with the Sarge. Most of the subs get killed in one round. The subs defending at one seldom get to hit that destroyer. The OOB sub rules are funky!

meh, I just think Uk gets screwed on geting enough destroyers, if you add more subs, id certainly add more destroyers.

Take Southern France on G1.  Build a sub a turn there for the rest of the game.  I like to build one if not two on the first turn.  Also the 5 you start with don’t all have to attack.  Run one south towards Africa. Also having a sub or three in range of gibraltar is a good way to deal with the first wave of americans.