or AA Guns cannot be strategically bombed? Sorry,i’m kinda confused with this
Some final questions :
1. About convoy disruptions. How are convoy disruptions carried out in a seazone that is adjacent to TWO territories. e.g. sz101 adjacent to central and eastern us. If my enemy has like 5 subs and 3 destroyers,i would only lose 12 ipcs right?since the maximum loss is only 12 and not 20…
OR
us loses 25 ipcs , having to lose 12 for central US and 13 for eastern us, indicating that IPCs are lost for each territory.
OR
us simply loses 13 ipcs, maximum ipcs lost being 20
None of the above! US loses 13, but the maximum would be 32.
2.And what if my ally and I control two territories adjacent to a seazone that conducts convoy disruptions. How are the IPCS subtracted? e.g. france controls southern france and uk controls spain while their are 3 italian destroyers in sz 93.
France loses IPC’s on France’s turn, and then the UK loses IPC’s on UK turn. But this is only if those danged Italian destroyers are parked there at the end of France’s turn, and then the end of the UK’s turn. Basically, the rule is you just check for convoy raiding when you’re collecting money with each power. Enemy warships in your convoy zones? Then subtract money collected accordingly. So yes, a single sub could potentially disrupt income from more than one power (probably up to 3 or 4 are possible in some locations, I’d have to look. But that’s just trivia) in a single round of play. Convoy raiding is looking better all the time, no?
3. Finally,isn’t the Turkish straits somewhat functioning like a canal since Greece and Turkey are connected?
That’s right. You have to own Turkey to go through. Both sides of the Dardanelles are Turkey, so you don’t have to control Greece.
or AA Guns cannot be strategically bombed? Sorry,i’m kinda confused with this
This. The only Strat bomb targets are industrial complexes and naval and air bases. Note that in Alpha2 (I don’t think you could in OOB) Tac bombers can strat bomb bases, but not complexes. (That is, in OOB Tac bombers can’t strat bomb anything at all)
AA guns are now purely for air defense in conventional battles where there are attacking aircraft. They are never involved in SBR’s. In Alpha2 they only cost 5 instead of 6 because they are removed from play when captured (this was my suggestion to Larry, and he actually listened! :-D Although if I didn’t suggest it someone else was probably going to). No more getting shot down by your own former AA gun!
hello people i am new here so excuse me if i ask an obvious question :-D
since a submarine and air units cannot attack each other without destroyer what happen if say i had a submarine vs a fiter and a cruiser. i was the attacker and i scored a hit with my submarine. my opponent wanted to save his planes as he was preparing for a big attack on my capital. he chose his cruiser as a casualty. then, the fighterr missed on his turn. what happens when a surviving submarine and fighter is in pplay. since they cannot fire at each other.
also:
how does an aircraft carrier move with respect to the planes on it moving as well? since aircraft carriers have 2 move space. do they add 2 move spaces to the planes on them? i am lost here. :(
with that said:
another question.i do not understand what is the significance of the aircraft carrier. my friend says that they’re advantages are for defending and if there are two fighters loaded onto it,the defense values of the carrier and planes are 4-4-2,being quite good.he also said that they allow planes to land.is that it? i dont find them very useful compared to like 2 destroyers.
thanks !
thanks for your quick reply gamerman :)!
sorry guys another thought just hit me.
I understand that destroyers cancel the surprise strike and submerse abilities of a submarine,but does the dd have to be present in combat?
e.g. i have 1 destroyer and 1 battleship going up against 1 sub. if the sub gets lucky,rolls a one and if i chose to take my destroyer as a casualty,does the submarine sort of recover its surprise strike and submerse ability since the destroyer has been destroyed?meaning that it now attacks my battleship first and if it hits,it cant fire back.
sorry guys another thought just hit me.
I understand that destroyers cancel the surprise strike and submerse abilities of a submarine,but does the dd have to be present in combat?
e.g. i have 1 destroyer and 1 battleship going up against 1 sub. if the sub gets lucky,rolls a one and if i chose to take my destroyer as a casualty,does the submarine sort of recover its surprise strike and submerse ability since the destroyer has been destroyed?meaning that it now attacks my battleship first and if it hits,it cant fire back.
Yes, as soon as you lose your last destroyer, in the next round of combat the sub gets all of its special abilities back. Submersible, and surprise strike… As soon as you lose that destroyer, the sub can submerge the next round before you can fire again with the battleship. If you really want to get the sub, you maybe should damage your battleship so it can’t get away.
hello people i am new here so excuse me if i ask an obvious question :-D
since a submarine and air units cannot attack each other without destroyer what happen if say i had a submarine vs a fiter and a cruiser. i was the attacker and i scored a hit with my submarine. my opponent wanted to save his planes as he was preparing for a big attack on my capital. he chose his cruiser as a casualty. then, the fighterr missed on his turn. what happens when a surviving submarine and fighter is in pplay. since they cannot fire at each other.
Newbie questions welcome.
You’re right, subs can only hit other naval vessels and never aircraft. Once you are down to only subs vs. aircraft, the battle is over.
also:
how does an aircraft carrier move with respect to the planes on it moving as well? since aircraft carriers have 2 move space. do they add 2 move spaces to the planes on them? i am lost here. :(
The best way to think about this rule is that planes must take off from carriers at the beginning of the move. Carriers never extend the movement beyond 4 of the planes. (Never is a strong word. Here is the exception: If you have an ally’s planes on your carrier, your carrier could move up to 2 spaces during your turn, carrying the ally’s fighters. Then on your ally’s turn, he can fly the 4 spaces with his fighters. In one game turn, the fighters could have traveled 6 spaces. But the saying holds true that a fighter can never ever move more than 4 spaces during ITS turn (on that power’s turn). And of course, this is not considering the long range aircraft tech. IIRC it’s 5 spaces with LRA, so then those fighters can’t fly more than 5 during it’s respective power’s turn, etc.)
with that said:
another question.i do not understand what is the significance of the aircraft carrier. my friend says that they’re advantages are for defending and if there are two fighters loaded onto it,the defense values of the carrier and planes are 4-4-2,being quite good.he also said that they allow planes to land.is that it? i dont find them very useful compared to like 2 destroyers.
Oh my goodness. :-) Your friend is on to something. Carriers are AWESOME. There are so many advantageous characteristics of aircraft carriers, I know I’ll forget some. Here are a few:
Not an exhaustive list, because I am exhausted. In short, carriers are one of the most useful units in the game, and every good A&A player knows how to exploit their abilities to the max. Carriers = options. Options = advantage.
Cheers :-)
arggh i see now :-D. carriers have many uses.thank you!
but i still need some clarification for the first question though,the seazone has a fighter and a submarine after the combat.lets say the situation was reversed, the guy with the fighter was the attacker and the guy with the sub was the defender. Does the player with the fighter retreat his fighter to any friendly adjacent place(friendly land and seazones) like how it does when a carrier carrying it is gone?
The one space movement for a fighter after its carrier is sunk only applies to defending fighters. When attacking, fighters use their remaining movement after the battle in noncombat movement to land.
About my very first question about the battle between the fighter & sub… If they both remain in the seazone…does the fighter get 4 moving space from that seazone at HIS turn?i thought fighters MUST have a space to land AT THE end of anyones turn and cant be left floating in the middle of a seazone. thanks guys
The only way that a fighter could be defending in a sea zone without a carrier is if it was scrambled into the sea zone. After the battle, it would return to the territory it was scrambled from. If that territory was captured by the enemy, the fighter would have one space to find another place to land.
And also in your original example you had a CA FTR vs SUB. The ftr would not get to roll because there is no dd present in the battle, so it cannot hit the sub.
And also in your original example you had a CA FTR vs SUB. The ftr would not get to roll because there is no dd present in the battle, so it cannot hit the sub.
He probably also meant an Aircraft Carrier not a Cruiser. Cruisers = CA (don’t ask me why, there’s no A in Cruiser far as I can see…) and AC is Aircraft Carrier…
CV is carrier, not AC. AC is air conditioning…or alternating current.
Still, if using a CV and a ftr vs a sub, the ftr still won’t get to fight against the sub because there’s no dd present.
Screw dat. They wanna call it a carrier vehicle, fine, but I’m calling it an Aircraft Carrier or A.C. Not really sure what it’s an SS for Submarine either, shouldn’t it just be S? Same for Destroyer? BB makes sense, Battle Boat…close enough to Battleship afai-concerned.
@Cmdr:
Screw dat. They wanna call it a carrier vehicle, fine, but I’m calling it an Aircraft Carrier or A.C. Not really sure what it’s an SS for Submarine either, shouldn’t it just be S? Same for Destroyer? BB makes sense, Battle Boat…close enough to Battleship afai-concerned.
It’s US naval ship class designation, and AC stands for auxilliary-collier. Any ship starting with “A” indicates auxilliary, I believe.
There’s no reason to call a carrier CA since it’s an unclear abbreviation, and if you call it AC most people will probably still understand what you mean , but since there is an official abbreviation that most people with knowledge of ww2 history will use, well, arguably it makes sense to keep them in mind or clearly spell out the ship rather than making abbreviations that have no historic significance (when there are already abbreviations with precedence).
Combat Vessels:
BB Battleship
BBc Coastal Battleship
BC Battle Cruiser
CA Heavy Cruiser
CL Light Cruiser
CL(AA) Light Cruiser (Antiaircraft)
CM Minelayer
CMc Coastal Minelayer
CV Aircraft Carrier (Fleet)
CVE Aircraft Carrier (Escort)
CVL Aircraft Carrier (Light)
CVS Aircraft Carrier (Seaplane)
CX Armed Mechant Cruiser
DD Destroyer
DE Destroyer Escort
DM Light Minelayer
DMS Fast Minesweeper (Destroyer)
SM Submarine (Mine Laying)
SS Submarine
And Auxiliaries:
AB Crane Ship
AC Collier
ACM Auxiliary Minelayer
ACV Auxiliary Aircraft Carrier (CVE)
AD Destroyer Tender
ADG Degaussing Ship
AE Ammunition Ship
AEL Small Ammunition Ship
AF Stores Ship
AFD Mobile Floating Crane
AFDB Large Auxiliary Floating Drydock (Non-Self-Propelled)
AFDL© Small Auxiliary Floating Drydock (Concrete)
AFDM Medium Auxiliary Floating Drydock (Non-Self-Propelled)
AFS Combat Stores Ship
AG Miscellaneous Auxiliary
AGB Icebreaker
AGC Amphibious Force Command Ship
AGCL Small Communications Ship
AGD Seagoing Dredge
AGDE Escort Research Ship
AGDS Deep Submergence Support Ship
AGF Miscellaneous Command Ship
AGL Lighthouse Tender
AGP Patrol Craft Boat Tender
AGOR Oceanographic Research Ship
AGS Surveying Ship
AGT Target Service Ship
AH Hospital Ship
AK Cargo Ship
AKA Attack Cargo Ship
AKD Deephold Cargo Ship
AKE Ammunition Transport
AKF Refrigerated Cargo Ship
AKL Light Cargo Ship
AKN Net Cargo Ship
AKS General Stores Ship
AKV Cargo Ship & Aircraft Ferry
AL Lighthouse Ship
ALS Auxiliary Lighter Ship
AM Minesweeper
AMc Coastal Minesweeper
AMA Auxiliary Minesweeper
AMS High Speed Minesweeper
AN Net-Laying Ship
AO Tanker (Oiler)
AOG Tanker (Gasoline)
AP Transport
APA Attack Transport
APB Self-Propelled Barracks Ship
APc Coastal Transport
APD Destroyer Transport (High Speed)
APH Evacuation Transport
APL Barracks Ship (Non-Self-Propelled)
APM Mechanized Artillery Transport
APS Transport Submarine
APV Transport & Aircraft Ferry
AR Repair Ship
ARB Battle-Damage Repair Ship
ARD Auxiliary Repair Drydock (Floating Repair Drydock)
ARG Repair Ship, Internal Combustion Engine
ARH Repair Ship, Heavy Hull
ARL Repair Ship, Landing Craft
ARS Salvage Ship
ARS(T) Salvage Vessel Tender
ARV Aircraft Repair Ship
ARV(A) Aircraft Repair Ship (Aircraft)
ARV(E) Aircraft Repair Ship (Engines)
AS Submarine Tender
ASR Submarine Rescue Vessel
AT Tug
ATA Auxiliary Tug
ATF Ocean-Going Tug, Fleet
ATO Ocean-Going Tug, old
ATR Rescue Tug
ATS Salvage & Rescue Ship
AV Seaplane Tender
AVB Advanced Aviation Base Ship
AVC Catapult Tender
AVD Seaplane Tender (Destroyer)
AVG Escort Vessel (Aircraft) = CVE
AVP Small Seaplane Tender
AVS Aviation Supply Ship
AVT Auxiliary Aircraft Transport Ship
AW Distilling Ship
AWK Water Tanker
AZ Lighter-Than-Air Aircraft Tender
IX Unclassified, miscellaneous
Larry needs to implement all of those in the next A&A version. :lol:
Then maybe we could have some units that cost 1 or 2 IPC’s…
Larry needs to implement all of those in the next A&A version. :lol:
Then maybe we could have some units that cost 1 or 2 IPC’s…
Yes, I would like to see a “Lighter than Air Aircraft Tender”. I imagine they would be absolutely critical to the sacking of East USA by Germany.
oh.
wait.
I forgot, this isn’t Crimson Skies. or WW1.
Thanks for the list kcdzim. I didn’t know there were that many different types of ships! I figure its best to use the official designations so that people know what I am talking about…and I don’t sound like an unedumacated fool.
Still, to each their own…
