Larry Harris endorsed setup change

I’m not finding those comments on the Harris site.  I’m in the Pacific 40 forum and don’t see even where it could be located.

dude, you did not include the entire quote……  :evil:

i think the full quote should be listed… cus… i rock!    :mrgreen:

full quote:

Veqryn
I understand and agree with your alternate setup suggestion…
Quote:
Have the 2 UK transports begin off India, instead of off Malaya.

I see the merit it this suggestion. The UK navy without a surviving transport is like a junk yard dog with no teeth. Other than barking… what good is it? This is of course not only about giving teeth to junk yard dogs but about game play balance. I’ve seen situations develop in games that I frankly never anticipated or ran into during the development of the game.

Sometimes I wish I had taken a more conservative path and not given Japan all those aircraft. If I had I could have avoided a lot of problems. However, I ultimately felt that Japan should be represented as the master of the skys, as they were at the time. I have no regrets for the high number of Japanese aircraft in AAP40, but boy, with all their range and combat power, they raise hell on game balance issues. This UK setup change will help adjust and fine tune the game.

This setup adjustment will offer more dynamic options to the UK player as he or she desperately tries to hold back the Japanese inital onslaught.

I’m also considering moving the BB (Prince of Wales) out of that sea zone, but that will take a bit more thought. I’m open to suggestions as relates to this BB’s ajusted placement on the map, if any…

I think the internet should be used in an effective, constructive way. If hours and hours of played games ultimately point out a problem with certain aspects of the OOB game… I feel it my duty and my opportunity to take advantage of this acquired information and ultimately make the game better by adjusting it accordingly.

I will also lobby for this setup change to appear on future print runs of the game.

Thanks

Larry has followed through with his info gathering. He is ranking ideas, and asking us to do the same.

in his forums Larry writes:
Presently on the table of consideration (in no particular order)
are:
1. Simply move the BB and 2 transports back to India

2. Swap the BB with the cruiser and…
2.A. Leave one transport
2.B. Leave no transports (moving both back to India)

3. Leave the BB and one transport where they are (sea zone 37).

3. Doing something with the 3 fighters in New Zealand to… (?)

4. Add US destroyer to sea zone 26
4.A. Move US destroyer from sea zone 10 to 26.

5. Move ANZAC destroyer from sea zone 62 to sea zone 45 (this is just something I’ve been thinking about).

6. Add one ANZAC fighter to Queensland.

7. Add a naval base to New South Wales

With that said, and the ideas numbered, I’m leaning towards:
2+2B+4+5

What would be your numerical choices? And/or do you have other ideas (be ready to back them up with a damn good argument). For example, my contribution to this list is #5. It prevents the Japanese Caroline Islands fleet from reaching Java on turn one.

Again, thanks for your inputs.

Larry

5 would allow the ANZAC planes to get to India for defense.  It will help grind out a few more fht.  The odds of taking Ind turn 3 is still high even with the 4 AN fht, though.

The destroyer in z45 should make it impossible for Japan to take India by turn 3, as it will allow the UK fleet to screen India on turn 3, or am i mistaken?

Ah well i just looked at the map again and i was mistaken. Actually i dont see what difference that destroyer makes since the carolines fleet can still go to Java on turn 1. I thought the intention was to block this move?

You’re right, I can go through sz55 to get there and avoid the DD.

@fanofbond:

Now all I need is this to be edited in the errata so my play group will accept the change.

I agree. I will only accept this change if it is printed in the errata. it needs to be more official than what seems like what Larry just said that “he liked”

Larry hasn’t finalized what he wants yet.

@The:

@fanofbond:

Now all I need is this to be edited in the errata so my play group will accept the change.

I agree. I will only accept this change if it is printed in the errata. it needs to be more official than what seems like what Larry just said that “he liked”

I totally agree. I like to have changes done officially or semi-officially in the case of LHTR.
AARe is an exception because it just totally owns, plus it has years of play testing and editing and multiple people input. If you haven’t tried it, do.

Good to see Larry has noticed the issues and is working with us to correct them.

I’m dissapointed this couldn’t be done before but at least its getting done.

Recall that we have already had official setup changes for Phi and New Zealand too. I guess the retuning process is a constant thing.

@Wilson2:

@The:

@fanofbond:

Now all I need is this to be edited in the errata so my play group will accept the change.

I agree. I will only accept this change if it is printed in the errata. it needs to be more official than what seems like what Larry just said that “he liked”

I totally agree. I like to have changes done officially or semi-officially in the case of LHTR.
AARe is an exception because it just totally owns, plus it has years of play testing and editing and multiple people input. If you haven’t tried it, do.

He is not going to officially accept it until it gets playtested.  So why not do a little playtesting for him?  Better to make corrections now than after it becomes official.

Larrys latest list of possible changes (from his forum):
The new list (08/03/10 3PM) seems to be:

1. Simply move the BB and 2 transports back to India
2. Swap the BB with the cruiser and…move transports back to India
3. Add one ANZAC fighter to Queensland.
4. Add a naval base to New South Wales
5. Reduce Japanese air force to some extent.
6. Beef up China (particularly by adding an AA gun).
7. Pull back transports but leave battleship.

Yea if you read through the entire forum thread Larry has said those(above) ere his possible changes. He then asks us to playtest these ideas and fill him in on what change(s) will work in making the j1 attack a choice to attack rather than the beat and strongest time to attack. I suggest reading the thread at larrys site and then you will fully understand why he is considering those choices. (though from the names I saw the people who are posting over there are the same people as from here). If you haven’t seen this thread on larrys site go now.