The US CAN start getting troops to Asia. They can reach FIC with 1 BB, 1 TRN by USA 3…
IF there is no Japan presence left after Pearl
IF Japan does not attack those ships along the way
IF the 2 units on that TRN do not die taking islands along the way.
Then yes, there would be 2 US INF in FIC for Japan to deal with on J4.
More likely is that on US1 is the Pearl Counter, and building 1 or more TRNs on US1 to replace the one sunk on the Pearl Counter. And of course other ships to protect the fleet. If the US goes 100% Pacific on USA1, THEN the US might actually have 6 units to FIC for Japan to deal with on J5
But since I am not likely to let that fleet through unmolested, and since all Japan has to do is kill the TRN’s to stop the flow of troops…
Even with an IC for Japan on J1, I don’t see Japan doing much to turn the tide of battle. All I see is an accellerated German advance because Russia’s sending 1 or 2 Infnatry in the other direction to block the max 3 Japan can build on the mainland. With no transports, Japan’s not sending squat for assistance.
So go for it. A J1 IC just means America saves 15 IPCs cause they don’t have to build it.
BTW, I’d say primary duty is sinking the Jap fleet and blockading Japan. You can dispatch 2 transports, 3 Infantry, 1 Armor to pick off islands after that.
Supply hain logistics is the flaw in the Big Gulp.
You can;t keep a filled supplt line protected all across the Pacific. And to build up for that one decisive battle, you are going to lose your initial wave of TRNs doing it.
So… you take a few turns, you build up your fleet, and then after 3-5 turns of pure US PAcific Naval builds, you sink the Japan fleet.
NOW you can start to build replacement TRN’s (1 turn) and sail them across the Pacific (2 more turns) to have an impact. Try to add the TRNs in the rear areas before the fleet is gone, and they get SUNK before they get past Pearl.
No matter how you slice it, Japan has AT LEAST 6 turns before the US can bring their might to bear in any meaningful way. And with just 1 new IC and 3 new TRNs, Japan is dropping 11 units a turn into Asia from J3 forward (2 in J1 w/ 1 TRN; 9 in J2 with 3 at IC, 6 via TRN; 11 J3+ after teh 4th TRN is built in J2), so call it 55 NEW divisions, plus 7 to start…
SIXTY TWO DIVISIONS
Even with all INF, that is still a heack of an issue for Russia that will have produced only 40-50 new divisions in 6 turns… and has German as well as Japan forces to deal with.
You could build an IC on borneo? ( the 4 ipc island ) and go from there. Your fleet when equal should not focus on destruction of the japanese fleet but to take their IPCs and get out of the water ( build ground troops ).
Taking some japanese islands makes it annoying for japan because there are 11 ipcs on just 3 islands and with an equal fleet from the US they cant split their fleet. Now 8 units for a 4 ipc island of 8 units to the mainland becomes the question if they do both they lose half their fleet :D
Correctomundo.
The US doesn’t need to engage the Japanese fleet, just force it back to Sz 60/61.
Once the US moves to the Solomons this should be the case, otherwise Japan’s home island is in danger (or the US made a mistake).
At the time of the move to Sol, the US should have more ships in Sz 55 as well (those that were just bought).
It makes a Japan strike on the Sol ships futile, since best case would be killing the US trns while J either:
1) kills it own trns as fodder,
2) bought extra fodder ships, or
3) losses aircraft/or higher priced ships in the attack
(none of these are particularly appealing and all slow the push on Mos)
but the US already has reinforcements and can easily resupply and Japan cannot. Or if Japan does resupply that means less and less troops to Asia.
You don’t want to really engage the Japanese fleet until you have EI, Bor, and/or Phil.
And if you kept your UK fleet alive, then when the US moves to Bor or EI, the UK follows up with a trn, dd, ac (or whatever is left) to help bolster the defense of the American fleet.
No matter how good Japan is doing the loss of 11-12+ Island IPC means Japan needs: bury, sfe, yak, chi, sin, ind, eve, novo, kaz just to come out +3-4 IPC and holding Ind is questionable with the US/UK at EI.
US earns ~50, Japan ~35. And with 2-3 island ICs on Bor and EI (possibly Phil) Japan is in serious danger regardless of the status of Moscow.
Japan can only place 8 (even if they earn 40+) while the US will be able to get more than that into the theatre.
Yet, with the Jap Fleet in SZ60/61, the force flow to Asia is still laregely uneffected… at least until Japan’s income REALLY drops. But that takes time, since while the US is gaining islands, Japan is gaining Asia.
All Japan has to do is maintian enough force to keep Russia’s income down, and a solid follow-up attack threat on Moscow. With the US in the Pacific, Germany will be the one doing the 1 & 3 parts of the 1-2-3 punch.
what if Russia sends 1 fig to India carrier, UK joins up it´s fleet in SZ30 and builds a IC on Australia? (and US all out Vs Japan)
Then I send a wave of German land forces into Russia, NO naval purchases, and just overwhelm the Soviets in about 4 turns.
With a FIG gone, I may even take a stab at Caucuses on G1 while I reinvest Ukraine HEAVY, and stack in Karelia.
Early force shifts in Europe have huge long term effects.
Switch,
I think you are making a gross error in your analysis. America doesn’t have to protect them across the entire Pacific, just across the Bearing Straits into the Far Eastern States of Russia.
Once you eliminate Japan from the mainland by building a fleet so defensive they cannot hope to stop it, you can begin to worry about massing enough to defeat his fleet and taking islands.
Once you eliminate Japan from the mainland by building a fleet so defensive they cannot hope to stop it,
how long will that take? and what is germany diong. if Japan is super agressive then it doesn’t matter.
Jen, see above where I psoted the speed with which the US can get to Asia…
@ncscswitch:
All Japan has to do is maintian enough force to keep Russia’s income down, and a solid follow-up attack threat on Moscow. With the US in the Pacific, Germany will be the one doing the 1 & 3 parts of the 1-2-3 punch.
I guess my strategies are a lot different then most people, when I attack Moscow there is no 1-2-3 punch, maybe a 1-2 punch but mostly just a 1 punch from Japan that wipes them out :-D but that’s how I plan it.
Same here.
How does US counter Japan’s Pearl?
Simple answer: KGF.
If you really want to go KJF, you either go Ssinkiang and Indian ICs, or you build Pacfleet on US1 threatening attack on Pearl US2 (Japan shouldn’t be strong enough to wipe out the US2 fleet), or you can try Alaska transport chain. Buncha things you can do really. I note you already mentioned the LRA option.
