Agreed.
The Tanks of WWII
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Yea those German tanks were amazing. You needed to send like four Shermans against to to hit it from the side or rear and even then, you were probaly going to lose one Sherman. I think the best tanks were Russian. Russian tanks had all the qualitys that you would want in a tank. They were very well armored, very fast, had decent guns, and of course before the Germans made the Panther, the Russians had already started to use sloped armor to deflect shells.
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the joseph stalin series of heavy tanks for the USSR, epecially Stalin III’s. Could slug it out evenly or i think with an advantage over any heavy tank the germans had.
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@Imperious:
Micheal Wittmann demonstrated what exactly a Tiger could so against Allied tanks when Monty tried to break into Caen. Wittmann’s tank alone stopped the entire British division and knocked out something like 22 tanks and 14 support vehicles.
At the cost of his own life, nonetheless…
the joseph stalin series of heavy tanks for the USSR, epecially Stalin III’s. Could slug it out evenly or i think with an advantage over any heavy tank the germans had.
The problem with the IS-2 was that it wasn’t as much of a threat to infantry as it was to tanks, so it was more like a Jagdpanther (or whatever it was called) than a Tiger.
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@Imperious:
Micheal Wittmann demonstrated what exactly a Tiger could so against Allied tanks when Monty tried to break into Caen. Wittmann’s tank alone stopped the entire British division and knocked out something like 22 tanks and 14 support vehicles.
At the cost of his own life, nonetheless…
the joseph stalin series of heavy tanks for the USSR, epecially Stalin III’s. Could slug it out evenly or i think with an advantage over any heavy tank the germans had.
The problem with the IS-2 was that it wasn’t as much of a threat to infantry as it was to tanks, so it was more like a Jagdpanther (or whatever it was called) than a Tiger.
I think that a 36:1 KDR is more than acceptable, myself.
Edit: The Panther could get a T-34 through the front armor from 2000m, whil the T-34 needed 500m.
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At the cost of his own life, nonetheless…
no he died in another battle latter in the same campaign different battle.
joseph stalin series of heavy tanks for the USSR, epecially Stalin III’s
those things came out allmost near the end of the war. Id still take a King Tiger to that thing. Ill find some references and post the comparison.
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JS-3:
Crew 4
Length 9.90 m
Width 3.09 m
Height 2.73 m
Weight 46 tonnes
Armour and armament
Armour 30 to 160 mm
Main armament D25-T 122 mm gun
Secondary armament 3×DT, 1×DShK machine guns
Mobility
Power plant 12-cyl. diesel model V-2
600 hp (450 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 37 km/h
Power/weight 13 hp/tonne
Range 240 kmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_tank
King Tiger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_tiger
Weight 69.8 tonnes
Length 7.62 m, 10.286 m gun forward
Width 3.755 m
Height 3.09 m
Crew 5
Armour 180 mm frontal armor
80 mm side armor
Primary
armament 88 mm KwK 43 L/71
Secondary
armament 2×7.92 mm MG
Engine V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30
700 hp (515 kW)
Power/weight 10 hp/tonne
Suspension torsion-bar
Operational
range 170 km
Speed 41.5 km/hfurther reading also confirms what i thought was correct: that they were not used in Europe as they were introduced too late in this campaign.
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Soviet air power won WWII for them. They destroyed more tanks with Il-2’s and Il-10’s than with tanks.
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I have no proof to prove or disprove that claim, but I think that in actuality Snow was the main cause of tank deaths on the Eastern Front…
GG
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@Guerrilla:
I have no proof to prove or disprove that claim, but I think that in actuality Snow was the main cause of tank deaths on the Eastern Front…
GG
Snow wasnt the main, but was one of the top causes. Some tank engines wouldnt even start in such cold weather and if they did, they had a hard time moving.
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I was talking about in the later battles, such as those when Russia was regaining lost territory.
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How about this concept tank:
http://www.kensingtonbooks.com/finditem.cfm?itemid=9384
I don’t know if I first saw this here, if I did…sorry for reposting.
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i think it would have gotten taken out by artillery, or planes.
It would be abosutley scary on a battlefield though, soldiers would just run away. how would you take that thing out.
It would take a ton of steel to make one of those.
IF the armor was thick enough to withstand anything, only napalm or flame would do the trick. nasty.
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i think it would have gotten taken out by artillery, or planes.
It would be abosutley scary on a battlefield though, soldiers would just run away. how would you take that thing out.
It would take a ton of steel to make one of those.
IF the armor was thick enough to withstand anything, only napalm or flame would do the trick. nasty.
I think planes would have been the deterrent of choice. It did have flak guns, though (and mgs). Hell…how would this thing be mobile anyway? It was painful enough to get the Tigers moving…
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considering the other book on that site and the fact i cant find any colloborating evidence for such a project even with having over 500 books on WW2. I can conclude that its a work of fiction… or at the very best something that was never even drafted in terms of modeling the feasibility of such a tank. Only the Maus seems at least something that was attempted (* they have 2 of these tanks unfinished). I feel that the maus would have been defending Berlin if Hitler lasted a few more months. But as you know in trials the Maus wasnt able to meet the speed requirements as per the specifications… the germans were working on a solution when work was halted for more important considerations.
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@Imperious:
considering the other book on that site and the fact i cant find any colloborating evidence for such a project even with having over 500 books on WW2. I can conclude that its a work of fiction… or at the very best something that was never even drafted in terms of modeling the feasibility of such a tank. Only the Maus seems at least something that was attempted (* they have 2 of these tanks unfinished). I feel that the maus would have been defending Berlin if Hitler lasted a few more months. But as you know in trials the Maus wasnt able to meet the speed requirements as per the specifications… the germans were working on a solution when work was halted for more important considerations.
I never took it as even a possibility for deployment, but I wouldn’t put it past the Germans to dream something like this. Either way, interesting that someone put that much thought into it.
The Maus was another thing I was going to mention, but couldn’t recall it’s actual name.Didn’t the Russians have some sort of land rover tank? Multiple turrets, quite large? I remember seeing something a long time ago…
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Check this out:
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=374 -
If you want to check out some real German airplane projects try www.luft46.com that guy has compiled everything from diagrams to pics to photos of real models and test planes.
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