AARHE: Phase 2: Units

[Imperious Leader]

I think this may be worthwhile. only cost is 5 because it should also be more than just coastal defense… it that infrastructure defense thing right?

lets just have one idea covering all these items. The Anti aircraft gun is both for AA shots against planes, and coastal defense ( AKA “guns of Navarone”)

[tekkyy]

yeah if we have this coastal gun thing it’ll be under the ID game piece replacing AA game piece

I wasn’t talking about costs though

I was talking about how many hits , hitting on what and the dice value.

[Imperious Leader]

I was talking about how many hits , hitting on what and the dice value.

++++ it should be probably the same whether as anti-air or against naval targets…

under AA roll 1, roll again 1=hit, 2-3 plane goes back.

how bout under coastal batteries in the selected territories (against naval targets) roll 1, then roll again 1-3 =hit, 4-6 nothing

When an invasion occurs:

1. these units get to roll once on planes and once against the naval targets.

[tekkyy]

proposing a rule for repair of damaged Battleships…

Damaged BBs are repaired at sea zones adjacent to friendly territories. They are repaired at the beginning of your next turn.

(We could even limit it to friendly territories with an IC or VC.)

[Guerrilla Guy]

BB’s were very complex and took massive workshops to repair back to fighting conditions (not like refitting at sea…) Next to VC’s or IC’s…

GG

[Imperious Leader]

Yea this is correct: “Next to VC’s or IC’s.”

[tekkyy]

ok adding to draft

[tekkyy]

IC (industry complex) gets 3 IDs built-in
VC (victory city) gets 1 ID built-in

I feel its too powerful
its making people build IC when they don’t really want one (just for the 3 free IDs)

I am thinking of reducing it to 2 or even 1 IDs built-in per IC

[Imperious Leader]

or perhaps the cost of IC should go up?

I suppose 2 is fine.

but remember the 3 represents the number of rolls total. so if you bring in 5 planes only 3 get rolled on.

[tekkyy]

yeah each ID only targets one

[Imperious Leader]

make a list of changes as we go along or we will forget something.

[tekkyy]

actually I’ve been adding them to my “phase 3” copy

I resume my compiler job right?

[Imperious Leader]

yes indeed!… get back to work! :-D

[tekkyy]

In AARHE INF (infantry) are built at VCs. Other units like ARM (tank) are built at ICs.

This was to stop massive infantry build and infantry stack at ICs.
We also have a cost model with INF costing between 2-4 IPCs.

Now we introduced PARA (paratrooper) and MECH (mechanized infantry).

*where to build? need to stop them being massed in one turn in one spot?
*cost?  US/UK INF (infantry) at minor VC costs 4 IPC already

I propose…

PARA: build at VC, cost “INF + 1”
MECH: build at IC with VC, cost “INF + 1”

But then its weird if PARA or MECH becomes 5 IPC at some point.

[Imperious Leader]

Why not use the rules that we had in that other thread regarding paratroopers….?

It was the same one that had the bit about transport planes… about a month ago?

Also mech infantry is more like another armor unit. It should not fall into the limitations of infantry builds.

Its its own thing. The original idea should be kept

I think it was attack at 2, defend at 2 cost 4, move 2… can be allocated as armor hit when a tank or artillery would normall take the loss.

I think it should be boosted with artillery +1 at 1/1… this would give it the power in the game to be a needed unit. It would also allow for combined arms

they would also be able to blitz like tanks

on transports they count as armor.

[tekkyy]

Why not use the rules that we had in that other thread regarding paratroopers….?
It was the same one that had the bit about transport planes… about a month ago?

PARA (paraptrooper), MECH (mechanized infantry) and TP (transport plane) are all in

yes MECH is 2/2 move 2 cost 4
I only make it to blitz when matched 1-to-1 with tanks though
I mean should mechanized infantry cut through butter the way tanks do?

Also mech infantry is more like another armor unit. It should not fall into the limitations of infantry builds.

oh I was thinking mechanised infantry is still mostly infantry
have you got some stats about how many % infantry in mechanized divisions and tank divisions?

so PARA built at VC right?
costs?
INF (infantry) at US/UK minor VCs are 4 IPC alright
without changes only PARA would come out of minor VCs lol

[Imperious Leader]

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Also mech infantry is more like another armor unit. It should not fall into the limitations of infantry builds.

oh I was thinking mechanised infantry is still mostly infantry
have you got some stats about how many % infantry in mechanized divisions and tank divisions?

++++++this would be different for each nation based on need… however the soviets had alot of mechanized divisions about 1/3 of all her land divisions in total were purely mech infantry, while italy had few… Germany had a bit more , while americans mostly had mobile infantry… you may even call them all mechanized infantry.

OK i guess it can be part of the infantry limitations, but it should be counted as an armor in terms of combat causalties. So if tanks get a hit the defender can now select artillery, mech, or tank as combat loss.

so PARA built at VC right?
+++++ yes

costs?
+++++ Id would limit para builds based on nation it should cost 5 for para

they are at 2/2 but attack on first round at 3

Limits:

USA 6
UK 4
GERMAN 5
Italy 2
Russia 3
Japan 3

INF (infantry) at US/UK minor VCs are 4 IPC alright
without changes only PARA would come out of minor VCs lol

++= yea right. Para are specialized trained troops. they should be raised only in selected areas.

[Micoom]

Maybe then also use build limits on Mech INF, but for the US unlimited.

[Imperious Leader]

Not sure about that… could be potential disaster… only infantry should be limited.

then we would have to also limit artillery and even tanks…and this is not good either.

why should their be limits on mech infantry?

[tekkyy]

@Imperious:

this would be different for each nation based on need… however the soviets had alot of mechanized divisions about 1/3 of all her land divisions in total were purely mech infantry, while italy had few… Germany had a bit more , while americans mostly had mobile infantry… you may even call them all mechanized infantry.

oh I see
yeah get that mobility NA for US done

OK i guess it can be part of the infantry limitations, but it should be counted as an armor in terms of combat causalties. So if tanks get a hit the defender can now select artillery, mech, or tank as combat loss.

ok then MECH built at IC with VC
yes the hit allocation is in

Id would limit para builds based on nation it should cost 5 for para
they are at 2/2 but attack on first round at 3

actually we didn’t like changing combat value and last made it 4 IPC attack 2 defend 2
but 5 IPC would solve the straight problem of INF already costing 4 IPC at certain VC

we could make it 2 VCPs per PARA built, instead of a table of limits

yea right. Para are specialized trained troops. they should be raised only in selected areas.

if 5 IPC then you won’t be able to build them at 1 IPC locations
I guess we can also make it paratroopers can only be built at capital VC