JEB (Axis) vs Atease (Allies) Spring 42

[JEB]

Well, my general attitude towards editing is that it is fine to edit non-combat movements after you placed your troops - since that doesn’t change any outcomes of the turn. But not replay a complete turn just because you forgot some combat moves (since that will alter the turn).

The exception here is if you forgot to post the turn, which I do sometimes. Then the first turn should be replicate as close as possible, and any differences should in that case favor the opponent. I think it’s a bug in the game that you cannot go back

In this case, it is just bombing raids which will not affect the other battles, so I could accept that you do it this one time afterwards if it’s possible to edit damage to factories and roll here in some way.

But in the future, I think one have to stand for one’s combat moves, mistakes or not!

[atease]

Agreed that moves after any rolls are made should be exceptional and only if there is no way that the effect of the rolls could have influenced their choices.

We can take the stand that any future mistakes be considered mistakes if you want, but I think we should allow some flexibility. For example, in a live game i would have moved these bombers then could have adjusted everything/modified purchases until dice are thrown. Triple A being a program i have to load the game again to change purchases, so that’s how the error happen.

I believe in a friendly game of A&A! Hope I don’t sound/am annoying. If I do just ignore.

[atease]

2 bombers in Italy

:roll 2@4:

bomber in germany
:roll 1@4:

[atease]

I mean

Rolling 2:
(1, 2)

Rolling 1:
(5)

[atease]

sucky rolls  :-)

you need to type "Rolling 1:
(5)  " in the post and if you roll 1 you’ll kill my bomber in Germany.

[atease]

;dice 1;

replace ; with :

see this post for details: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16408.0

[JEB]

I also believe in a friendly game and I don’t want to sound like a prick here.

Sure there is some differences to a live game and we usually allow non combat moves to be altered, even after new troops have been added. But we wouldn’t allow a forgotten bomber to make a raid at that point. Human mistakes are part of the game, just like in chess.

However, I do also agree that there is easier to make these mistakes in the program in that here you have to restart completely to make changes instead of just shuffling units around.

I don’t think these mistakes are too common, so in the rare occasion they happen we can just discuss it here.

As for the dices, I’m a little confused. What was the AA gun there? And how come you rolled first two 4s, then 1,2 and 5?

[atease]

Hope we’re good?

I haven’t rolled the AA gun, you have to. I rolled my three bombers so that if your AA miss I don’t have to roll subsequently. I showed you how to roll; if you roll a 1 in Germany we’ll scratch that bomber and the 5 damage.

The point of this game was to show axis can win. I played a live game on Saturday, twice as axis. Won 1 of them. the other one we lost, was playing Japan and Germany forgot to stack Germany properly so it got invaded successfully in the 5th round. game over.

that 2nd game Russia turtled, US was a new player so ineffective on both sides of the map, but at the end it was 55 german land troops vs 65 russians/international units, then the same turn 55 Japanese units mopped the remaining 35 or so. Yes a battle with over 100 units haha it was epic dice rolling.

[JEB]

Rolling 1:
(4)

[atease]

Ok so it’s your turn; you can edit the industries and play your turn?

and for the record I don’t think you’re a prick.

[JEB]

We’re good :)

And sure Axis can win. I even think they have a fairly good chance. If both sides play perfectly, maybe allies are a bit stronger (for historic accuracy, they should be!), but that difference play little role in comparison to good strategy and mistakes/bad luck of the opponent. And who can really play a perfect game anyways?

So my AA gun missed… I guess you edit in your hits and repost the turn then?

Btw you managed to play two games in one day? When me and my friend play, one game usually take 10+ hours!

I love big battles. Then you can really start to take out chance and can really have a good estimate how the battle will go.

[JEB]

Ok I try to do the editing then

[JEB]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v4, version: 2.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
                  Japanese take Trans-Jordan from British
            1 armour moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Sinkiang to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Buryatia S.S.R. to Kazakh S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
            1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Kazakh S.S.R.
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakh S.S.R.
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakh S.S.R.
                Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Novosibirsk
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Novosibirsk
                Japanese win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            2 armour moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Buryatia S.S.R. to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Buryatia S.S.R.
            2 armour moved from 60 Sea Zone to Buryatia S.S.R.
            4 infantry moved from 60 Sea Zone to Buryatia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from India to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to 60 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter placed in 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 infantry placed in India
            1 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Persia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    India : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 2 infantry
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Novosibirsk : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Borneo : 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 artillery and 8 infantry
    East Indies : 2 infantry
    Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Solomon Islands : 1 infantry
    Sinkiang : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 artillery
    Wake Island : 1 infantry
    Evenki National Okrug : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Buryatia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 bomber and 4 infantry
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    China : 1 flag
    Japan : 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 1 infantry
    Caroline Islands : 2 infantry
    60 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 4 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 20 / 25
    Germans : 30 / 37
    British : 30 / 36
    Japanese : 45 / 45
    Americans : 41 / 53

[JEB]

And the insane inf defending goes on!

[JEB]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v4, version: 2.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
                  Japanese take Trans-Jordan from British
            1 armour moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Sinkiang to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Buryatia S.S.R. to Kazakh S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
            1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Kazakh S.S.R.
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakh S.S.R.
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakh S.S.R.
                Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Novosibirsk
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Novosibirsk
                Japanese win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            2 armour moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Buryatia S.S.R. to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Buryatia S.S.R.
            2 armour moved from 60 Sea Zone to Buryatia S.S.R.
            4 infantry moved from 60 Sea Zone to Buryatia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from India to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to 60 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter placed in 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 infantry placed in India
            1 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 60 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Persia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    India : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 2 infantry
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Novosibirsk : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Borneo : 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 artillery and 8 infantry
    East Indies : 2 infantry
    Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Solomon Islands : 1 infantry
    Sinkiang : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 artillery
    Wake Island : 1 infantry
    Evenki National Okrug : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Ukraine S.S.R. : 1 fighter
    Buryatia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 bomber and 4 infantry
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    China : 1 flag
    Japan : 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 1 infantry
    Caroline Islands : 2 infantry
    60 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters and 4 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 20 / 25
    Germans : 30 / 37
    British : 30 / 36
    Japanese : 45 / 45
    Americans : 41 / 53

[atease]

Yeah epic defense. We had a few of these on saturday, like 1 inf beating 2 inf, and 1 inf beating inf+art.

We play 1 game or 2 games depending on what time we start. We also call the game very early if we can predict the outcome easily.

[JEB]

Please not I made an edit where I landed my fighter

[atease]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v4, version: 2.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 factory and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 battleship, 2 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 56 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Midway to Western United States
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 3 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 2 transports moved from 14 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada

Place Units - Americans
            1 factory placed in Norway
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine placed in 55 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

Eastern Canada : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
    Midway : 1 infantry
    Western United States : 1 aaGun, 2 bombers and 1 factory
    Karelia S.S.R. : 2 infantry
    Hawaiian Islands : 2 infantry
    Norway : 1 flag, 1 factory
    Eastern United States : 1 factory
    Russia : 1 fighter
    12 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 2 transports
    52 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
    1 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 transport
    13 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    55 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 20 / 25
    Germans : 30 / 37
    British : 30 / 36
    Japanese : 45 / 45
    Americans : 41 / 41

[atease]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v4, version: 2.7

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from West Russia to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Caucasus to Belorussia
            1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Belorussia
            1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
            1 artillery moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to West Russia

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Belorussia
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
                Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Battle in Novosibirsk
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                Russians win, taking Novosibirsk from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Caucasus
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Caucasus
            9 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Caucasus
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 26 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Novosibirsk : 2 infantry
    Kazakh S.S.R. : 1 aaGun and 12 infantry
    Caucasus : 2 artilleries, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 14 infantry
    West Russia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Belorussia : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 infantry
    Russia : 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 1 factory and 7 infantry
    55 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 24 / 26
    Germans : 28 / 37
    British : 30 / 36
    Japanese : 43 / 45
    Americans : 41 / 41

[JEB]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v4, version: 2.7

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 4 damage on 4 factories; Remaining resources: 33 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 aaGun and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from Western Europe to 12 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Europe to 12 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Russia
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Russia
            1 bomber moved from Germany to West Russia
            8 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
            10 infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Europe
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Southern Europe to Eastern Europe
            1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Europe
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Europe
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Europe

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 12 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 12 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 transports in 12 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the Americans , 1 transport owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 12 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 12 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser and 2 transports
            Battle in West Russia
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in West Russia, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in West Russia, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Russia
                Germans win, taking West Russia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Eastern Europe
                Germans attack with 2 armour and 12 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 12 infantry in Eastern Europe, round 2 :  3/14 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Europe, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Europe
                Germans win, taking Eastern Europe from British with 2 armour and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Belorussia
                Germans attack with 8 armour and 3 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 8 armour and 3 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 :  4/11 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
                Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 8 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from 12 Sea Zone to Western Europe
            1 bomber moved from West Russia to Western Europe
            1 infantry moved from Balkans to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Southern Europe to Balkans
            1 infantry moved from Southern Europe to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Eastern Europe

Place Units - Germans
            1 aaGun placed in Southern Europe
            9 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total

Territory Summary for Germans :

Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 factory and 10 infantry
    Southern Europe : 1 aaGun and 1 factory
    Eastern Europe : 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 11 infantry
    Western Europe : 1 aaGun, 2 bombers and 8 infantry
    Balkans : 1 infantry
    Ukraine S.S.R. : 2 infantry
    West Russia : 1 infantry
    Belorussia : 8 armour and 3 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 20 / 26
    Germans : 35 / 35
    British : 27 / 36
    Japanese : 43 / 45
    Americans : 41 / 41