• Luger

    addendum:
    @Major:

    … if you were to take all the guns in the world and have superman throw them into the sun what then? … at last with firearms around we can put our selves on the same plain as some crazy bastard out to hurt people.

    I thought we just assumed they were all thrown into the sun? How can i then put myself on the same plain with someone who has none?

    People against guns cant get past the bad guy who shot some old woman, or robbed a gas station. there is a whole world of firearms out there, and from my experience the people that own firearms are more responsible in many aspects than people who have never fired a weapon before.

    So, the bad guy  who shot someold woman or robbed a gas sation was acting responsible? I mean, he was the one who owns and fired a gun … and then you say they are more responsible?

    to the ignorant people who say guns are evil and cause nothing but pain, try joining a gun club, squeeze off a few rounds, have some fun, learn to be safe, and learn to master your seances.

    Did that for 10 years, found it boring.


  • I’m sorry “Major” but which of us is the dim-witted one?
    Also take it from someone who has worked in the ER and on trauma surgery - a gun is pretty much more lethal than nearly anything else that is available to the public.

    Finally - what does it mean to “master your seances”?  I do not hold these for a number of reasons - candles being one of the rate-limiting steps.  Also i find it just wrong to try to call up the dead.  Call me old-fashioned.


  • none of that was towards you CC, i have no problems with you. I don’t even really have a problem with F_alk. he may love to quote a few phrases and give a witty little comeback, but he never really solves any thing, nor dose he really ever say anything. By the way F_alk if you were bored by guns than why were you in a gun club for 10 years, are you really that slow? You also don’t really think much, or at least you don’t seem to try to hard. What do you mean how can you out yourself on the same plain with someone who has no gun? if there were no guns, dumb people that commit crimes would still find weapons, they would build weapons ( a gun and some ammo is really easy to make) and you would be sitting there unable to do anything about anything. i know you don’t need  a gun to be safe, you don’t need weapons to feel sage either, but if you have a gun then you at least have the chance to defend you and yours if and when the time comes. so take a deep breath, relax a little and use that thing on top of your neck for its intended purpose, after doing that for awhile try to answer me this, what would it archive if all the firearms in the world were made illegal to own? and actually try to answer it, don’t give me some worthless comment, actually make a point for yourself, if you have one.


  • @Major:

    By the way F_alk if you were bored by guns than why were you in a gun club for 10 years, are you really that slow?

    I think it is called children trying to please their parents … and later lazyness as the parents paid the club fee anyway, and i wanted that bronze medal for being in the club for ten years. And i had some friends there.

    You also don’t really think much, or at least you don’t seem to try to hard.

    I reserve that for my real life.

    What do you mean how can you out yourself on the same plain with someone who has no gun? if there were no guns, dumb people that commit crimes would still find weapons, they would build weapons ( a gun and some ammo is really easy to make) and you would be sitting there unable to do anything about anything.

    I think the word is “balance”. If they are dumb and able to improvise weapons, why can’t i? It doesn’t have to be a gun. Indeed, if you usea gun “in self defense” to kill an attacker with who has …say a bat: then it is not self-defese but manslaughter, as your replay was not balanced. (I wonder wther i should add that this is the law in my country and thus can’t be taken universally. I guess not, for obvious reasons).
    And how is ammo easy to make? Would you use “explosive cotton” or what?

    what would it archive if all the firearms in the world were made illegal to own? and actually try to answer it, don’t give me some worthless comment, actually make a point for yourself, if you have one.

    Look at the start of this thread: the price for illegal guins would rise. Less people (criminals or not) would own one. Less owners means less users and less work for people in the ER.


  • @F_alk:

    what would it archive if all the firearms in the world were made illegal to own? and actually try to answer it, don’t give me some worthless comment, actually make a point for yourself, if you have one.

    Look at the start of this thread: the price for illegal guins would rise. Less people (criminals or not) would own one. Less owners means less users and less work for people in the ER.

    :-D
    Thanks F_alk.  When on trauma surgery, it is nice to not get a 4:00 am page because someone shot his cousin during a drinking match.


  • well i envy you and your 10 years in a club. I have to drive from chicago to north of minnappolis to shoot on my grandpas property ( Illinois is has the worst gun laws in the US if you didn’t know)

    OK, if guns were made illegal there would be less of them, and it would make it harder for “bad people” to get their hands on them, right? well first off i live in  down town chicago, and for those of you that don’t know chicago made it illegal to own or posses any kind of fire arm in the city, if you get caught its federal time (um federal time for a city crime, does that sound right?) i have lived here for 3 1/2 years now in the same apt. ( right across the street from Wrigley Field  :-D) This is a good neighborhood as far as chicago goes, mostly families, and a few college students like me floating around, a good police presence as well. but, i have been robbed 3 times, i have been mugged 4 times , 3 times was by a guy pointing a GUN at my head, in this cases i gave them what they wanted because i cant compete with a gun to my head, but that loser that didn’t have a gun got the crap kicked out of him ( a note to any would be muggers, don’t ever try to mug an ex-marine with no firearm) these weren’t high level gang bangers, they were just worthless street trash, bums. in a city were firearms are illegal the lowlist of the low can still get there hands on a gun. there are to many to be destroyed, it would be a futile attempt to get rid of them.

    as far as making bullets, well, there are people in this world smarter than you and i f_alk believe it or not. if there is a way t do something then it will be done, especially if there is a whole lot of money in it.

    this argument is pretty stupid, i joined this forum because i love axis and allies. and i would assume that you do to. so why don’t we leave it at i believe in what i do, and you believe in what you do. i don’t expect everyone to think like me, and i am not going to try to force my thinking on someone else, thats a little to Richard the Lionheart for me. i don’t want to make any enemy’s in here, so its up to you. if you want to talk about axis and allies I’m all for it. and if i pissed you off I’m sorry, i do tend to become very protective of my 2nd amendment rights.


  • @cystic:

    Unless you’re Homer Simpson and find a gun handy for adjusting the lights etc. . . . .

    There was that other episode where Springfield gave up all their guns and got terrorized by 4 armed zombies.  Again hilarious.


  • actually it was two aliens


  • @Major:

    … 3 times was by a guy pointing a GUN at my head, in this cases i gave them what they wanted because i cant compete with a gun to my head, but that loser that didn’t have a gun got the crap kicked out of him ( a note to any would be muggers, don’t ever try to mug an ex-marine with no firearm)…

    A friend of mine who did a lot martial arts said that the danger comes from guns that are about a meter or more away from you. Everything that is closer (like to your head) you can disarm before the guy has a chance to react and pull the trigger.


  • Everything that is closer (like to your head) you can disarm before the guy has a chance to react and pull the trigger.

    You’d better be quicker with your martial arts than the gunman’s trigger finger… in the event of a tie, you still lose.


  • There is no martial arts move to counter a bullet. Trust Me, I have a buddy who is a third degree black belt, and he says that if you run up against a guy with a gun, just run away. Fancy fighting wont stop a bullet.


  • There is no martial arts move to counter a bullet. Trust Me, I have a buddy who is a third degree black belt, and he says that if you run up against a guy with a gun, just run away. Fancy fighting wont stop a bullet.

    thats the truest statement ive heard in a long time from you, marine. there is no martial arts system or technique which will save you from a gun at several meters distance. if you cant take cover, or talk him down from shooting, you are dead (assuming hes a competent shot, of course).


  • @F_alk:


    cars are designed to bring you from one place to the other. 
    They differ in their purpose. One is functioning perfectly when it kills, the other one malfunctions when it kills.

    http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourcar/P135061.asp

    http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/09/09/safestcars-acura-ford-cx_dl_0912feat_ls.html?partner=msn

    They have car safety ratings.  Cheaper is generally less safe for 2006.  What about guns?


  • i had a buddy that was in the service with me that had been in ballet for 13 years and gymnastics for 15 years. weird, yes, but he was one nimble little guy. while in western Africa we were taking fire from a source I’m not allowed to say, they had rpgs flying all over the place, this guy did back flips threw an open street to get to the other side, guy even kept his rifle in his hand ready to use the whole time. when he did that the firing stopped just long enough for us to take control. i think the “enemy” was so weirded out by the back flips they didn’t know what to do. we all got medals that day, but he had about 2 or 3 more than anyone for that little stunt. crazy.


  • Watch out for the wrath of the concealed weapons permit holder who is blind.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10296505/


  • @Linkon:

    The mixing of certain things together has often been found to be bad.

    Among them:

    You missed one of the worst combinations!

    Alcohol and Intercourse may cause pregnancy :-P


  • And in response to the openning thread question…

    I have multiple firearms, from single-shot bolt action to semi-automatic.  I don;t have a “concealed carry” permit.  I don;t need one to sling a rifle or holster a pistol and carry both in plain sight.  And I’d rather a criminal KNOW I am armed.

    I can fire anything from a .22 to a 4.2" mortar; and hit my target the vast majority of the time.  I can make your AR-15 fire full auto (but it will never go on “safe” or “semi” again).

    I believe in Gun Control:  Gun Control meaning the operator hits the intended target.  :lol:

    Firearms are simply one aspect of personal protection with increased range; which is the entire histroy of weapons development.
    From teeth and fists, to sticks and stones, to swords and bows, to guns, to artillery and mortars, to bombers and ICBM’s.  In 10,000 years we have increased our defensive perimeter from 10" to 10,000 miles.  :-)


  • @ncscswitch:

    Firearms are simply one aspect of personal protection with increased range; which is the entire histroy of weapons development.
    From teeth and fists, to sticks and stones, to swords and bows, to guns, to artillery and mortars, to bombers and ICBM’s.  In 10,000 years we have increased our defensive perimeter from 10" to 10,000 miles.  :-)

    That sounds flawed. There would be no need to develop such protection if there was no threat. So, it would not be developed. On the other hand, if you assum an aggressive person, that person has a need to overcome the defenses of the other and for him such a new weapon is useful (and thus it will be invented, only not for defensive purposes but as an offensive means).


  • I agree with Falk… you dint need anything but maybe one gun and thats a simple functional handgun. IT should be only a single shot not of the semi or fully automatic type.
    But actually it should be a taser gun w/o bullets.


  • Like NCS pointed out, we have a sliding scale of defense now:
    Martial arts<–---------------------------------------------------->ICBMS

    Where do we draw the line on what’s legal? We certainly won’t allow people to legally own tactical nukes, but we can’t restrict it to just a closed fist.

    Personally, small-arms should be enough to make the King of England think twice.

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