• I don’t know how they crush my fleet when they can’t get into the Baltic…


  • Also I had the British Major Complex, so I just build another 10 infantry to help the 12 that I had there.

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    You guys are high  :-D.

    Sealion breaks the game.


  • @jim010:

    You guys are high  :-D.

    Sealion breaks the game.

    No it doesn’t


  • In all previous versions we played with the houserule that when a capital is taken the victim must pay the IPC value of that country to the conquerer, but keeps the rest and keeps getting income. Then the UK can still build in Canada, or somewhere.

    With this version however, Germany needs the IPC from capturing Paris and France can’t be allowed to keep building elsewhere (Normandy or a conquered neutral).

    In our houserule a succesful sealion doens’t mean the end of the allies. Here it does.


  • @Tavenier:

    In all previous versions we played with the houserule that when a capital is taken the victim must pay the IPC value of that country to the conquerer, but keeps the rest and keeps getting income. Then the UK can still build in Canada, or somewhere.

    With this version however, Germany needs the IPC from capturing Paris and France can’t be allowed to keep building elsewhere (Normandy or a conquered neutral).

    In our houserule a succesful sealion doens’t mean the end of the allies. Here it does.

    Sure about that? Even with a 65 ipc US and a 30 ipc Russia against a 60-70 ipc Germany and a 30 ipc Italy? Seems about equal.

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    @calvinhobbesliker:

    @jim010:

    You guys are high  :-D.

    Sealion breaks the game.

    No it doesn’t

    Rematch?


  • @jim010:

    @calvinhobbesliker:

    @jim010:

    You guys are high  :-D.

    Sealion breaks the game.

    No it doesn’t

    Rematch?

    Maybe in october, when I have a week off from school. My point is that one shouldn’t declare the game broken after just a few games’ experience. Initial suspicions may have been correct for P40, but that doesn’t mean it is for E40. For example, in G40, Sealion is a bas strat because the US can spend 52 ipc’s in the Atlantic, as opposed to 35 here.

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    I will no longer play allies without a bid.  Otherwise I want Axis.

    Period.

    This not just based on a few games online, but a few weekends playing round robins at a gaming store here.


  • @jim010:

    I will no longer play allies without a bid.  Otherwise I want Axis.

    Period.

    This not just based on a few games online, but a few weekends playing round robins at a gaming store here.

    Just Europe or Global?


  • @calvinhobbesliker:

    @jim010:

    I will no longer play allies without a bid.  Otherwise I want Axis.

    Period.

    This not just based on a few games online, but a few weekends playing round robins at a gaming store here.

    Just Europe or Global?

    Also, I assume you play on after London falls, right?


  • I would rather not loose my london to sealion but if it does fall doesnt the complex in london turn into a minor complex in europe like it does in global?

    I think england is a fun and challenging country to play

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    I have played on.  Just finished a game here.  I think I now have the right mix for hitting London for a 90% win with survival rate of 10 + units.  Plus the $81 I got to spend and the BB, CR, CV, fht, tac and 5 sb in sz109.  The TTs in sz110 to take the units off London to hit Russia.

    I’m still tinkering with it, but if I can get it to play this this most of the time, I want a bid.

    I haven’t played global, and I likely won’t until I am sure as to how AAE40 plays out.  Can’t comment there.  But 2 axis advantaged games put together?

    Besides, I’m waiting on Larry’s “fixed” set-up for AAP40.


  • @jim010:

    I have played on.  Just finished a game here.  I think I now have the right mix for hitting London for a 90% win with survival rate of 10 + units.  Plus the $81 I got to spend and the BB, CR, CV, fht, tac and 5 sb in sz109.  The TTs in sz110 to take the units off London to hit Russia.

    I’m still tinkering with it, but if I can get it to play this this most of the time, I want a bid.

    I haven’t played global, and I likely won’t until I am sure as to how AAE40 plays out.  Can’t comment there.  But 2 axis advantaged games put together?

    Besides, I’m waiting on Larry’s “fixed” set-up for AAP40.

    Well Global has 18 Russian inf and 9 Russian ipc’s that are not in either version.

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    doesnt the complex in london turn into a minor complex in europe

    Only in global.

    How about if UK sees a German CV hit the water, conscription is immediately enforced and 5 extra inf pop up in London.

    I’d accept that.

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    Again, I can’t comment on global. I’ll have to wait until I have a few games under my belt.


  • @jim010:

    doesnt the complex in london turn into a minor complex in europe

    Only in global.

    How about if UK sees a German CV hit the water, conscription is immediately enforced and 5 extra inf pop up in London.

    I’d accept that.

    And that major to minor transformation helps in Global, as it also affects Paris


  • The trick is really that if Germany focuses on Sea Lion, there’s nothing the Brits can do about it, but if they do, then it gives Russia another 2 turns to build and therefore they have a freaking ton of guys.  So doing the Sea Lion invasion makes an invasion of Russia (almost) impossible.
    If Germany doesn’t do the Sea Lion thing, Russia falls ALOT easier, but it keeps the UK in the game at least.  Either way the Allies are screwed, but it comes down to the dice most often times late in the game.  I’d say Axis-slanted, but not by much.
    A bid does not help at all.  A few more infantry in UK means that Germany goes all-in on Russia, and a few more infantry in Russia means Germany goes all in on UK.

    This is just an initial opinion, and I’d like to play a few more games before trying to come up with a fix.


  • @calvinhobbesliker:

    @Tavenier:

    In all previous versions we played with the houserule that when a capital is taken the victim must pay the IPC value of that country to the conquerer, but keeps the rest and keeps getting income. Then the UK can still build in Canada, or somewhere.

    With this version however, Germany needs the IPC from capturing Paris and France can’t be allowed to keep building elsewhere (Normandy or a conquered neutral).

    In our houserule a succesful sealion doens’t mean the end of the allies. Here it does.

    Sure about that? Even with a 65 ipc US and a 30 ipc Russia against a 60-70 ipc Germany and a 30 ipc Italy? Seems about equal.

    Yes. The USA won’t have a staging ground for their troops and Germany has way less ground to cover with coastal defense. And having the UK as a sub pen is incredibly powerful.
    But apart from that, the most important reason is that the Axis start with a way larger army. If both sides have an equal amount of cash the allies are doomed. They won’t outproduce the axis to make up for their fewer battle equipment. And the Americans can’t invest all in inf or tanks, like Germany, but have to build transport and a lot of destroyers to transport those troops safely to Europe/Africa.


  • @Tavenier:

    @calvinhobbesliker:

    @Tavenier:

    In all previous versions we played with the houserule that when a capital is taken the victim must pay the IPC value of that country to the conquerer, but keeps the rest and keeps getting income. Then the UK can still build in Canada, or somewhere.

    With this version however, Germany needs the IPC from capturing Paris and France can’t be allowed to keep building elsewhere (Normandy or a conquered neutral).

    In our houserule a succesful sealion doens’t mean the end of the allies. Here it does.

    Sure about that? Even with a 65 ipc US and a 30 ipc Russia against a 60-70 ipc Germany and a 30 ipc Italy? Seems about equal.

    Yes. The USA won’t have a staging ground for their troops and Germany has way less ground to cover with coastal defense. And having the UK as a sub pen is incredibly powerful.
    But apart from that, the most important reason is that the Axis start with a way larger army. If both sides have an equal amount of cash the allies are doomed. They won’t outproduce the axis to make up for their fewer battle equipment. And the Americans can’t invest all in inf or tanks, like Germany, but have to build transport and a lot of destroyers to transport those troops safely to Europe/Africa.

    Buy if Germany builds navy turn 1 and 2 and inf in London turn 3, I think Russia will have a close to equal army by then

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