This is an issue that has cropped up in numerous A&A games. The box board photos are often taken by marketing department people who simply want to make the picture look pretty and who aren’t overly concerned about depicting things accurately.
AAE40 is a wonderful game like AAP40 ( edited out thanks to only 4 fighters)
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US can liberate UK.
Where did Germany get 9 planes? It starts with 8 and loses some in taking out the 2 BB. If a British BB survives, the German fleet will probably die -
Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 28, 2010, 8:08 PM
Forgot to mention:
ON G1 Germany might go with a CA and 2 AP, which gets it another 3 on SB. The problem with this is UK might crash its 3 fighters into your fleet and build one sub and the rest infantry. This would be the case of UK hedging its bet, but both protecting against Sealion but buying a sub on the off chance German naval is sunk and the transports are blocked.
This would present much better odds to UK in order to save them because we are now talking 3 threes against four, and 2 threes ( still favors Germany but its real close)
Obviously the benefit is you got another 3 coming in on SB and you know about 2 of your planes are gone from AA fire.
Too me its playing too close to the fire, so i don’t really think its the best but only something to consider.
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Keep in mind that if Germany captured the UK, the Major IC becomes a minor, so it can only build 3 defenders on the next turn
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 28, 2010, 8:15 PM Aug 28, 2010, 8:10 PM
US can liberate UK.
Where did Germany get 9 planes? It starts with 8 and loses some in taking out the 2 BB. If a British BB survives, the German fleet will probably dieNo USA is neutral and prohibited from doing that.
Also, the setup shows 3 tactical bombers, 1 bomber, and 6 fighters. Go look at it. also look at the rules regarding USA neutrality.
USA can’t do anything till its at war.
Also if you look at my attacks these are very good. Only REALLY poor rolling can produce a result of keeping a UK battleship
I considered this as well and it too fails:
1 BB and 3 fighters against German BB, 1 CA, 1 CV, and 2 fighters = 4/3/3 vs.4/3/4/4 results in NOPE try again.
Then UK loses its fighters and Sealion is even easier for Germany.
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 28, 2010, 8:13 PM
Keep in mind that if Germany captured the UK, the Major IC becomes a minor, so it can only build 3 defenders on the next turn
Thats fine, it has 3 transports to shuck to UK on G3 and then upgrade the minor to major ( thank you UK) and thats only 20 IPC.
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The DD/AC at gibralter can reach the german boats, or block the strait. That gives the UK atleast 1 DD, 1 AC, 3 fig, 1 tac vs the german fleet.
They can also just park the dd and/or ac in the SZ near GB to soak the shore shots and to draw some of the German airforce away (possibly).
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@Imperious:
US can liberate UK.
Where did Germany get 9 planes? It starts with 8 and loses some in taking out the 2 BB. If a British BB survives, the German fleet will probably dieNo USA is neutral and prohibited from doing that.
Also, the setup shows 3 tactical bombers, 1 bomber, and 6 fighters. Go look at it. also look at the rules regarding USA neutrality.
USA can’t do anything till its at war.
Also if you look at my attacks these are very good. Only REALLY poor rolling can produce a result of keeping a UK battleship
I considered this as well and it too fails:
1 BB and 3 fighters against German BB, 1 CA, 1 CV, and 2 fighters = 4/3/3 vs.4/3/4/4 results in NOPE try again.
Then UK loses its fighters and Sealion is even easier for Germany.
6ftrs? There’s 1 in Norway and Holland, and 2 in West Germany. Where are the other 2?
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 28, 2010, 8:43 PM
The DD/AC at Gibraltar can reach the german boats, or block the strait. That gives the UK atleast 1 DD, 1 AC, 3 fig, 1 tac vs the german fleet.
They can also just park the dd and/or ac in the SZ near GB to soak the shore shots and to draw some of the German airforce away (possibly).
OK thats fine. UK can move:
1 CV, 1-2 fighters, 1 DD to stay in SZ 110 and Germany has 1 BB, 1 CA, plus planes
Lets look at the numbers:
UK defending: 2/4/4/2 vs 4/3 and whatever planes it needs, plus the subs 2-3 of them ( think i might lose 2 perhaps 3 from G1 attacks)
Now this means UK has two less fours defending UK leaving 9-10 infantry 1 tactical bomber, and 1 fighter
Germany in that case needs to allocate vs the 12 point UK threat with about 18 points of its own and could do it with 16 because the BB takes 2 hits as well as her Carrier
I suggest Germany uses 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 CA, 1 tactical Bomber, 1 fighter, 1 bomber = 18 points which is a total of 8 hits vs UK fleet of 12 points and 5 hits. This will do the job
Germany now has for sea lion:
3 tanks, 3 infantry, 5 fighters, 2 tactical = 35 points 13 units vs UK of 9-10 infantry 1 tactical , 1 fighter = 27 points 11-12 units
Its still broken.
if UK buys all naval with 27-29 IPC… say what then? UK now has just 2 infantry and 2 planes defending and instead UK built a navy for Germany to defeat.
Germany can take out UK with 3 tanks 3 infantry plus just a few planes, the rest will attack the UK fleet.
I think UK might go with what kind of fleet vs a potential German fleet of 1 BB, 1 CA, 1 CV, up to 6 fighters, 3 tactical, 1 bomber. I just think we are just shifting the numbers around that they are not going anywhere.
I will look at the rules for subs and how this interacts with transports.
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 28, 2010, 8:47 PM
6ftrs? There’s 1 in Norway and Holland, and 2 in West Germany. Where are the other 2?
Yes that is correct! only 4 fighters not 6.
OK this is MAJOR issue. Good catch.
Well at least its not broken right?
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@Imperious:
6ftrs? There’s 1 in Norway and Holland, and 2 in West Germany. Where are the other 2?
Yes that is correct! only 4 fighters not 6.
OK this is MAJOR issue. Good catch.
Well at least its not broken right?
Yes, it’s good.
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2 house rules my group used to blosk this after we figured this out 2 days ago was that when london is taken US goes to war because cmon… if it was the US congress would totally go to war… and Canada can still buy thing with their $7… not a lot for england but it helps
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2 house rules my group used to blosk this after we figured this out 2 days ago was that when london is taken US goes to war because cmon… if it was the US congress would totally go to war… and Canada can still buy thing with their $7… not a lot for england but it helps
Canada only gets 6 IPCs in Europe… unless you were playing Global?
I really like that House Rule though. Helps the Allies recover from a Sea Lion, if only just a little bit.
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Okay I feel better.
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The game is BROKEN!
I bought 6 copies
doh!
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IF G1 builds are a CV and 2 TR and with good outcomes in the g1 naval attacks
thenUK must build 9 inf
They will have at min. 11 inf (one french) 3 fig, maybe 1 tact in the UK
(If the G1 sz 106 attack fails, then 1 arm, 1inf extra)vs
Likely G2 Sea Lion attempt of 3 inf, 3 Arm, 2 fig, 2 tact, 1 bomber. (BB and CA fire support could be blocked by UK DD)
Germany would have to lose zero aircraft on G1 to give G2 Sea Lion a above avg.chance of more then a flip of the coin
If I am wrong, I would just add one more UK inf in the UK at the start ……Before making major changes to the game
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 29, 2010, 6:59 PM
yes now i prefer the two step deal for sealion defense.
UK blocks with CV,DD, 2 fighters on sea, and builds a 9 Inf land force. Germany cant take them both.
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@Imperious:
yes now i prefer the two step deal for sealion defense.
UK blocks with CV,DD, 2 fighters on sea, and builds a 9 Inf land force. Germany cant take them both.
Every turn UK can delay the sealion is very valuable, but is buying DD’s etc for that not worse in the long run? (meaning it is less land defence in the long run)
Haven’t really counted it all out (and yeah, i have lost UK to Sealion without buying extra naval forces, i did go for the italian fleet and maybe i should have taken the planes from the Gibraltar AC to UK instead … )
Edit: french fleet can be really valuable here too, by the way.
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 30, 2010, 12:41 AM
On UK 1 they build the 9 inf, not naval.
The ships from Gibraltar move to block, but these are lost if Germany tries anyway.
The advantage is your getting some German air exchanged.
The latter problem is if they don’t attack, you still have a buy a fleet and make it save because Germany will still have subs and UK needs to kill them to get its NO’s
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@Imperious:
On UK 1 they build the 9 inf, not naval.
The ships from Gibraltar move to block, but these are lost if Germany tries anyway.
The advantage is your getting some German air exchanged.
The latter problem is if they don’t attack, you still have a buy a fleet and make it save because Germany will still have subs and UK needs to kill them to get its NO’s
If the fleet attacks Italy, they take out the Italian navy in addition to german air
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