• ok is-3 is an outlier(gr8/9 math)

    kv-2 is not!
    the kv-2 would look aswume.


  • @cminke:

    kv-2 is not!
    the kv-2 would look aswume.

    There were only three hundred built.


  • A little less than 300 were produced, actually.

    I understand the attachment to and interest in the KV-II, expressed by some other board members, but I think there are far superior choices for Soviet armour sculpts. Aside from individual subjective approval of the tank’s appearance and limited combat success, as evidenced through individual unit results, the vehicle was an awkward, unreliable, and poor design, and was produced in very limited numbers for about a year.


  • @AG124:

    A little less than 300 were produced, actually.

    KV-2 Production total = “about” 255

    Emperor_Taki posted the other production numbers earlier …


  • The soviets made thousands of heavy tanks, just not too many KV-2s.

    I am pretty sure everyone wants to have a KV-1 mold, so it would be even more silly for the second FMG mold to be a KV-2. There are plenty of other soviet heavy armor to choose from that look just as crazy as the as the KV-2 and were produced in much larger numbers.

    like the ISU-152

  • '10

    @cminke:

    hol-e carp that thing is beast!

    What kind of fish is a hol-e carp? I thought you all were talking Russian tanks.


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  • Customizer

    I vote for the KV-1 and the T-26


  • I really want the T-26 as well.

  • Customizer

    I know the current versions of A&A don’t allow for tanks for China, but if anyone wanted to make it possible for China to get a few tanks you could use the T-26 for China as well.  Early in the war, the Chinese had a number of T-26s they got from Russia.  I don’t think they lasted very long though.


  • I’m stunned! STUNNED I TELL YOU!  :?

    I can’t believe the KV-1 is beating the IS-2 in this poll!  The IS-2 was built in larger numbers, is a closer match to the iconic German Tiger (as well as to the American Pershing which easily COULD HAVE been built in larger numbers if the American planners had been wiser)

    The Soviets stopped production on the KV-1 tanks before it had really revved up because it failed to have any better firepower than the T-34 it was supposed to be heavier than!

    I don’t think this is even a tough call, actually: IS-2 for the heavy, a T-34/85 for the medium (as it gives FMG an iconic T-34 that is still an upgrade from the WotC model and an IS-2 for an additional upgrade beyond that… the KV-1 isn’t even an upgrade over the T-34/76!)


  • KV-1 is a real tank that fought. IS-3 was so late in the game it didn’t matter is really is a post war tank.

    No need to take the one time it fought in the last weeks of the war and dignify it as the iconic heavy Soviet tank. KV-1 earned this in battle.


  • What are you talking about?  I’m talking about the IS-2, not the IS-3!


  • The KV-1 had pretty much nothing to bring to the table that the T-34 didn’t have, and was much more expensive, so much so that the Soviets nearly killed their heavy tank program altogether in 1942.  The KV-1 had been pretty much relegated to an “infantry-support” role (…like the British Matilda, and the Brits other “infantry tanks” :roll:…) by then.  Then the new generation of German heavies and heavy-mediums (i.e., Tigers and Panthers) started to make their presence felt.  The IS-2 (AKA JS-2) was basically the Russian answer to the Tiger (while the T-34/85 was basically the Russian answer to the Panther.)  The IS-2 was fielded in larger numbers than either its predecessor (the KV-1) or its direct competitor (the Tiger).  With perhaps very few exceptions, the last heavy tank units had re-equipped with IS-2 by mid-1944, right about the time that the Americans and Brits were finally encountering Panthers and Tigers for the first time in France.

  • Customizer

    Please excuse my ignorance, but is there a difference between the IS-2 and the JS-2?


  • No, sorry, same thing; it’s sometimes spelled one way and sometimes the other.  I’m trying to get used to spelling it IS-2, but I’m used to spelling it JS-2.

    It stands for “Joseph Stalin 2” (in standard English romanization) which is also spelled Iosef Stalin in a more literal/accurate romanization, I believe.  Either way, “ole Joe Stalin” is the same person and the second model of tank named after him is the same tank.

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