Haven’t played 42 hardly at all. His other mods, 41 and 39, especially 41, seem very balanced. I think if you haven’t played it much, I’d just roll with no bid for starters.
Railway
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This is a very cool idea, and i really cannot come up with any reasons that it would not be in AA40E except lazyness. Its a cheap peace that could add alot the the european battlefeild.
Cheap is right. They would undoubtedly make it out of cardboard and claim that they did it to save space on the gameboard when you and I know it is because they are a bunch of cheap @$$ chimps trying to save a penny.
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right :-D, but a cardboard chit with a trainyard or tracks would be better than having to make one myself.
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Whatever the thing is:
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it must be able to be increased and damaged
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not cost too much compared to what it does
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facilitate only NCM bonus
suggestions:
tie it to the SBR damaging capabilities
units move double speed per point
units only move within original controlled territories ( not occupied Soviet Union or China)
UK could use it to reinforce India or Africa
Germany would use it to shuck to eastern front or france
Italy could use it to reinforce Lybia
USA could use it to get stuff to Canada for transport
Japan is out of luck ( or could shuck to Manchuria)
Russia can shuck from east to west or south
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Hey, so this is where my thread went ?
An issue in this game is the time. If a turn represent 3 months of real time, then a unit must be allowed to move from a Railway Station straight into combat. There was many cases in both WWI and WWII that units had to off load from trains and fight the same day.
And another issue, is the time versus the distance. If a turn is 3 months, and it will take two turns to cross the Atlantic and three turns to cross the Pacific, then the game dont re-enact the real war, because it took 12 days to cross the Atlantic, and 3 weeks to cross the Pacific, with a tranny at 15 knots. A cruiser at 30 knots fast speed just half the time. In this game a slow tranny move as fast as a fast cruiser, or even a speedboat.
But anyway, I just dont like Flashmans idea that a fast cruiser need two turns to cross the Atlantic, while an infantry unit in South Africa may take the Fantazy Express to any place whereever in one turn.
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@Imperious:
Whatever the thing is:
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it must be able to be increased and damaged
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not cost too much compared to what it does
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facilitate only NCM bonus
Army Base
Costs 15, can be built in any territory controlled at the begining of the turn.
In the non-combat phase it increases movement of land units by one
can take 6 damage points and if it takes 3 it does not increase NCM.That movement increase is pretty powerful, i think 15 per tt is reasonable
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But anyway, I just dont like Flashmans idea that a fast cruiser need two turns to cross the Atlantic, while an infantry unit in South Africa may take the Fantazy Express to any place whereever in one turn.
right, that dosnt make and sence.
however, with the railing into combat thing, i feel your taking the game to literally. sure mnay units were railed into combat and fought that week or that day, but the opposing forces would no about that and have time to react. If your saying we should have mech inf and tanks attaking 3 spaces away, your not giving the other side time to respond. The game would just turn into opposing stacks of units flying across the map; all realism and gameplay would be lost under your proposed rules. It takes months to prepared for a major offensive. Just look at the battle of kursk. Panzers didnt zoom in from Warsaw, it took a long period of preperation, and the Soveits had time to respond and essentialy new what was going to hit them.
So for both gameplay and historical realism, what I am going to now call army bases( as general term to describe all the logistical elements of a army) , should only increase movement in the NCM phase.
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@Imperious:
Whatever the thing is:
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it must be able to be increased and damaged
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not cost too much compared to what it does
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facilitate only NCM bonus
Army Base
Costs 15, can be built in any territory controlled at the begining of the turn.
In the non-combat phase it increases movement of land units by one
can take 6 damage points and if it takes 3 it does not increase NCM.That movement increase is pretty powerful, i think 15 per tt is reasonable
they should give an other bonus like repairing capital ships and scrambling
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Hi
Railway movement should only happen in Non-Combat-Movement Phase in my opinion.
Maybe there should be a limit, of how long/many territories a unit can rail through, example 4-6 territories?
Also, maybe the rail limit should be lower for continent like Africa and Asia then Europe, since there was much more railways in Europe then in any other continent. Just some thoughts.
The easiest way to include this is, no railway marker at all.
You can rail from wherever to wherever you want, it takes part in the non-combat-movement and a unit have a limit distance of 4-6 territories it can rail through. -
I developed a Europe game using railroad. The map consisted of 3 inch wide hexagons. Railway movement was unlimited in a chain of contiguous hexes; these hexes had to be friendly controlled at the beginning of the current turn. Railway movement was permitted in Non-combat movement only. I did not use Railroad markers; I had experimented with them and rejected them as too cluttering. I instead used railway damage markers (yes, made of cardboard); units could use rail movement to enter, but not exit a hex with a rail damage marker. Railways could be damaged in three ways: 1) there was an automatic damage of one point for every turn of land combat in a hex, 2) strategic bombing could cause 0-3 damage points, 3) an infantry unit that does not move or combat may cause one point of damage (engineers destroying bridges) per turn. In case of infantry damage, there was a maximum of one point per turn. Repairs were done by paying a repair cost in the Purchase Units phase. I had plans for a fourth means of causing rail damage by partisans, but I haven’t established that rule and I haven’t worked on the game in a number of months. My adult son and I have play tested it a few times. The rail system worked quite well. Oh, maximum damage was set at 3. The rail system was effective because I based the game on a time scale of 1 turn=3 months. I renamed combat movement to tactical movement and non-combat movement to strategic movement. Tactical movement for all unit types was based on the traditional system, although I gave destroyers and cruisers 3 movement points. Strategic movement of all unit types was unlimited, but could be interdicted. However, I will restrict my comments here to railway movement. The key to the whole structure was hexagons, making 1 movement point the same in Africa as it is in Europe or the Atlantic. I only occasionally strayed from geographic scale for game purposes.
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I wrote my game version just as a counter point, not necessarily one that would work in AAE40. I like Supermetizo’s idea, which was posted while I was writing my post. In my game, North Africa did not have rail movement except in Egypt which was two hexes, anyway.
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@Imperious:
Whatever the thing is:
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it must be able to be increased and damaged
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not cost too much compared to what it does
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facilitate only NCM bonus
Army Base
Costs 15, can be built in any territory controlled at the begining of the turn.
In the non-combat phase it increases movement of land units by one
can take 6 damage points and if it takes 3 it does not increase NCM.That movement increase is pretty powerful, i think 15 per tt is reasonable
they should give an other bonus like repairing capital ships and scrambling
thats a good point, do you have any ideas? land units dont take damage and they dont defend sea zones hmmm….
i cant think of anything good and the increased movement justifies the cost as it is.
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I developed a Europe game using railroad. The map consisted of 3 inch wide hexagons. Railway movement was unlimited in a chain of contiguous hexes; these hexes had to be friendly controlled at the beginning of the current turn. Railway movement was permitted in Non-combat movement only. I did not use Railroad markers; I had experimented with them and rejected them as too cluttering. I instead used railway damage markers (yes, made of cardboard); units could use rail movement to enter, but not exit a hex with a rail damage marker. Railways could be damaged in three ways: 1) there was an automatic damage of one point for every turn of land combat in a hex, 2) strategic bombing could cause 0-3 damage points, 3) an infantry unit that does not move or combat may cause one point of damage (engineers destroying bridges) per turn. In case of infantry damage, there was a maximum of one point per turn. Repairs were done by paying a repair cost in the Purchase Units phase. I had plans for a fourth means of causing rail damage by partisans, but I haven’t established that rule and I haven’t worked on the game in a number of months. My adult son and I have play tested it a few times. The rail system worked quite well. Oh, maximum damage was set at 3. The rail system was effective because I based the game on a time scale of 1 turn=3 months. I renamed combat movement to tactical movement and non-combat movement to strategic movement. Tactical movement for all unit types was based on the traditional system, although I gave destroyers and cruisers 3 movement points. Strategic movement of all unit types was unlimited, but could be interdicted. However, I will restrict my comments here to railway movement. The key to the whole structure was hexagons, making 1 movement point the same in Africa as it is in Europe or the Atlantic. I only occasionally strayed from geographic scale for game purposes.
your game sounds pretty awesome. but it seems as though alot of major changes have to take play if rail movement is too be realistic. in regular A&A, unlimted land movement isnt going to make sence or be realistic.
PS: take some pictures of your variation and put them on the site, everyone will love them.
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Railway movement should only happen in Non-Combat-Movement Phase in my opinion.
I agree with supermetizo.
Infantry and artillery can move 2 zones.North Africa did not have rail movement except in Egypt which was two hexes, anyway.
Wrong!!! ( I study railway history)
Africa:
There was a railway between morocco-lybia.
Cairo (egypt) to suez canal.
Morocco though west french africa and french equatorial to Liberia.
South africa to kenya.
(Those railway was built by french and british company).Germany-USSR
Bandar Shapur (Southern Iran) Stalingrad-Moscow-Arkhangelsk.
Moscow-Leningrad-minsk-smolensk
Some railway between Germany-Poland-Ukraine and Germany-slovakia-hungary-rumania.
(Note: Russian railway didn’t have the same railroad gauge has the rest of European countries.In Asia, the principal railway:
Manchukuo to korea (part of trans-siberian)
Manchukuo to pekin- hofeh-shandong to kwangtung.
1 railway in indochina.(saigon)
Singapore (malaya) to bangkok (thailand).
Rangoon-Moulmen-Mandalay-Mogaung.(malaya though burma)
Note: This railway was completed with US and UK POW.
There was a lot of small railroad in India and one join burma to Chittagong and the terminal was ledo. (burma). -
Razor, I do like your concept. The problem I’m having is tanks being able to attack three tt away when starting at a rail station. Maybe any ground unit starting at a rail station gets to move 2 spaces. This will allow inf/art +1. You could allow tanks/mech to move 1 space before boarding the train (giving them 3 moves in some cases), but don’t allow them to move after the train ride. You could ride the train right into enemy tt as long as your RR was 2 spaces away. Would be kinda like departing a transport, you don’t get to move an extra space.
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@WILD:
Razor, I do like your concept. The problem I’m having is tanks being able to attack three tt away when starting at a rail station. Maybe any ground unit starting at a rail station gets to move 2 spaces. This will allow inf/art +1. You could allow tanks/mech to move 1 space before boarding the train (giving them 3 moves in some cases), but don’t allow them to move after the train ride. You could ride the train right into enemy tt as long as your RR was 2 spaces away. Would be kinda like departing a transport, you don’t get to move an extra space.
Its a whole lot simpler, better for game play, and historicaly accurate if Army bases can only increase movement in the NCM phase.
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I’ve been away from this thread for awhile with report cards, parent-teacher interviews and other forms of making a living that get in the way of a good game. Thanks to crusaderiv for correcting me on the railways in North Africa. I’ll correct that in my game. As for pictures, I’ll try and get some of the map as the game isn’t set up right now. The map is old school- hand drawn so it won’t be as sharp as the computer generated ones. Thanks for the interest.
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As i said before all you need to do is allow units in NCM moving in originally controlled territories move an extra space equal to your total placement capability, which in turn can be bombed and are reduced by SBR. So if Germany has one factory and its got damage of 2, then only 8 land units can be moved like this.
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@Imperious:
As i said before all you need to do is allow units in NCM moving in originally controlled territories move an extra space equal to your total placement capability, which in turn can be bombed and are reduced by SBR. So if Germany has one factory and its got damage of 2, then only 8 land units can be moved like this.
that method is too abstract for me.
I was also thinking of another method
Railroad
Cost: 15 IPC
It connects two territories and movement between these two territories is free in the NCM phase.
It can be SBed just like air and naval bases.I want to see the railroads on the board and see what damage I have done to my enemies railines and where I have done it.
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So to move six spaces you need to spend 45 IPC?
or two?
Id rather have 10 or 15 infantry depending…
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@Imperious:
So to move six spaces you need to spend 45 IPC?
or two?
Id rather have 10 or 15 infantry depending…
You think it costs too much? If you have three in a row it allows you to move your whole inf army four spaces. Shifting that kinda weight that quickly is pretty powerfull.
Perhaps 12 IPCs is more reasonable?
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