Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?

[Gwlachmai]

I have to admit I’m terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can’t come out fast enough.

[Guest]

@Gwlachmai:

I have to admit I’m terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can’t come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?

[Canuck12]

@Brain:

@Gwlachmai:

I have to admit I’m terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can’t come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?

There are already special rules for the Dutch roundel BD. You should play AA40P sometime, it’s fun.

As for Canada: I really like SAS’s breakdown of how this could work. I think it is an ideal situation and is the likely result.
Larry has already stated that all Canadian provinces will be represented; however, a breakdown like omega’s is unlikely. I could see them giving 1 IPC for each Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, lumping the Maritimes (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and together for 1 or even including them with Québec or Ontario (which should be 1 and 2 IPCs respectively.) The territories will be worthless. And Newfoundland (being a British colony at this point) might just be tossed in with Canada for simplicity.

The only tricky thing will be giving Canada access to the sea. Ontario should, in theory, be the logical location for an IC. But unless you count the St. Laurence seaway there is no access to the Atlantic. This means either giving the IC to Québec or lumping the Maritimes in with Ontario. If they choose the later then Ontario should be worth 3 and could be upgraded to a major IC (an important caveat if the roaming capital theory is true, and not so far fetched either, remember Kwangtung is worth 3 IPCs)

In any case, my arithmetic puts Canada at 8-9 IPCs (4 for BC and the three Prairie provinces, 1 for the Maritimes, 2-3 for Ontario and 2 for Québec. This would make western Canada look a little like Siberia and would make Canada nearly self-sufficient without the help of the UK. Given that Canada’s economy has always been about 1/10 the size of the US’s this brings Canada up to consistency with its neighbor to the south (assuming the US will get approximately 100IPCs globally.

P.S.
(For a more in-depth discussion of Canada’s relative contribution to the war see “Canadian output” in the AAP40 board. IL participates in a heated statistical debate! ;-)

[Guest]

@Canuck12:

There are already special rules for the Dutch roundel BD. You should play AA40P sometime, it’s fun.

I was referring as to why they are not a separate power as everyone would like Canada to be.

[mike55]

The difference is the Dutch start out as a neutral, while Canada was a belligerent from the beginning.  Given that however, Canada, while the government trumpeted independence, was fully integrated militarily within the British forces.  So were the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans and Indians in North Africa.  It wasn’t until Japan attacked beyond China that the situation changed for the Pacific Commonwealth Nations.  Other than the First Special Services Brigade (Devil’s Brigade), no Canadian units ever operated outside of the British command structure.  Therefore, it would be ahistorical for Canada to be a separate power.  I say this reluctantly, as a Canadian patriot, who got hooked on wargaming while serving in the Canadian military in the 1970s.  It would be far more realistic to have the split income idea, than a separate player.  As for the roundels, Canadian and Dutch and others, I think they are just there for historical colour and have no real impact on the game.  Note: I always designate units as “Canadian”, by using a different colour or marking them, just because I can. Also, I use Canadian spellings like honour and colour just because I can. Ps. As this is my first post, I hope I figured out the quote thingy.

[mike55]

I obviously didn’t figure out the “quote thingy”.  My post was a reply to BD’s comment. Now, I’ve doubled my number of posts!

[Guest]

@mike55:

I obviously didn’t figure out the “quote thingy”.  My post was a reply to BD’s comment. Now, I’ve doubled my number of posts!

Click on the word qoute at the upper right of the post that you want to quote.

And you can’t give karma until the 100th post, oh never mind, bad joke :-D

I agree however with your ideas about Canada.

[johnnymarr]

Welcome to the site mike. I too agree that the roundels will have no impact on the game and will just add “colour”.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@Brain:

@mike55:

I obviously didn’t figure out the “quote thingy”.  My post was a reply to BD’s comment. Now, I’ve doubled my number of posts!

Click on the word qoute at the upper right of the post that you want to quote.

And you can’t give karma until the 100th post, oh never mind, bad joke :-D

I agree however with your ideas about Canada.

Well, I’m well past 100 posts and I can’t do anything with karma yet…  So it must be higher.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@Brain:

@Gwlachmai:

I have to admit I’m terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can’t come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?

The Dutch roundels on those territories are for the purpose of those territories not counting toward either the Axis’ or Allies’ income initially and they have to actually occupy those territories.  I imagine this is because the Dutch were at war with the Axis, but had been conquered in May 1940, which seems to be before the approximate start date of 1940 (which kinda looks like somewhere around June 1940 just before Paris was captured), so they couldn’t be specifically neutral (at least as far as we understand neutrals at this point) as I assume whatever other rules that apply to neutrals that we will learn when Europe 1940 comes out would be applied to them.  They are treated sort of like territories that are left over after a power’s capital has been captured, though if the Netherlands are liberated they don’t become another Allied power like France will, and because of this any other Allied power can take control of them also.

I don’t see Canada being treated the same way (completely empty until someone walks in), so they should (in my mind at least, I may very well be wrong :|) serve some purpose other than simply being fancy decoration to make Canadians feel better. :-P

[Guest]

I was hoping that the Global game would give us a "39 option. I would like too add Poland to the list.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

Polish Cavalry
1 attack,  1 defense, 1.5 movement, defense becomes 0 if defending against tanks…  :-P

Ah, poor Poland…  First to fight, first to be made fun of…

[finnman]

@SilverAngelSurfer:

Polish Cavalry
1 attack,  1 defense, 1.5 movement, defense becomes 0 if defending against tanks…  :-P

Ah, poor Poland…  First to fight, first to be made fun of…

how much would they cost

[SilverAngelSurfer]

2 IPCs  :-D

[Omega]

You do know the Polish cavalry was made bigger than it was by nazi propaganda?

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@Omega:

You do know the Polish cavalry was made bigger than it was by nazi propaganda?

Yeah?  I know tanks were a new innovation and all so cavalry wasn’t really as silly as we would think now, but I guess the Germans would need a boost to their morale after running over horsies with tanks.  :cry:

“Ya, it vas inzane!  Dar vere about a milllion Polaks on der horses.” :lol:

I’m part-German, part-Polish (mostly Polish as you might guess) by heritage so I reserve the right to make fun of both groups.  :wink:

[Flashman]

Should be easy enough to set up 1939.

Just use on leave French units for Poland.

Only thing is the map will need altering with West Poland separating from East Prussia.

[Guest]

@SilverAngelSurfer:

Ah, poor Poland…  First to fight, first to be made fun of…

First to fight only because they were the first to be attacked.

[Omega]

WWII shows that most countries who were attacked by Germany lost pretty badly. Thank Russia for saving the world!

[Guest]

@Omega:

WWII shows that most countries who were attacked by Germany lost pretty badly. Thank Russia for saving the world!

You mean thank Russia for saving themselves. What countries did they liberate?