@jejedada Merci pour le travail !
Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?
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Maybe the Canadian roundels are for future plans to make an advanced 1940 Global game.
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@Brain:
Maybe the Canadian roundels are for future plans to make an advanced 1940 Global game.
What!?! Wotc planning ahead?!? :-o
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I don’t think Larry is ready to go to the level of complexity necessary to account for transportation of income across oceans, I think he’s leaving it the same it has always been except for adding convoys, and this explanation accounts for Canada being the other “semi-major” power of the UK commonwealth along with ANZAC, the Canadian roundels, and the split income hint: everything! :mrgreen:
Your lengthy but well written post is the best I’ve read so far about all this Canada as a power business…though, just for fun, I will likely use those mint green units for Canada :-D
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Adam: since your very good with your recent air flight tokens… can you also make some replacement Air Base, Naval Base, and major and Minor factory tokens?
I really think your good with this type of thing and here i will make it a sticky along with the guy who made the player aids for AAP50
What you think? you up for a challenge?
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I don’t think Larry is ready to go to the level of complexity necessary to account for transportation of income across oceans, I think he’s leaving it the same it has always been except for adding convoys, and this explanation accounts for Canada being the other “semi-major” power of the UK commonwealth along with ANZAC, the Canadian roundels, and the split income hint: everything! :mrgreen:
Your lengthy but well written post is the best I’ve read so far about all this Canada as a power business…though, just for fun, I will likely use those mint green units for Canada :-D
Well, thank you for the vote of confidence. 8-) Assuming that I’m correct, I figure that the “Canadian” troops will be the same tan color as the UK (if Italian pieces aren’t important enough, no way Canadian pieces would be), especially if they’re playing as a single “power”. I think it’d be cool to use different colored pieces for those that start in Canada or are produced in Canada. Others have suggested using white pieces from the old Europe game I believe.
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Is it possible perhaps that the UK will be treated as a power with two capitals?
Ottowa and London. If either is captured, the axis player gets half of the UK’s IPCs
The UK continues to be a regular power, but with one capital that can only collect like symboled IPCs -
That’s the idea. :-D
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Is it possible perhaps that the UK will be treated as a power with two capitals?
Ottowa and London. If either is captured, the axis player gets half of the UK’s IPCs
The UK continues to be a regular power, but with one capital that can only collect like symboled IPCsWould that be fair to the other natios? Having a back-up capital? The US could definitely use Western US as a back-up capital.
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Me and my friends actually believe that all of the provinces will be shown
Why bother with British Colombia and Yukon if its not to show all of the provinces and territories? In the old games, it was Western Canada (just like its WUSA, CUSA, EUSA)
So, if Canada gets all its provinces, and assuming no major mistakes, the East (Ontario and Quebec) are probably going to be 2-3 (or maybe more, but I doubt) ipc territory
So
British Colombia = 1ipc
Alberta = 1 ipc (sorry folks, no oil yet :)
Saskatchewan = 1 ipc
Manitoba = 1 ipc
Ontaria = 3 ipc (its probably the richest Canadian province at that time)
Quebec = 2 ipc (really not sure about this one. I’m pretty sure Quebec gets its economy boom after the war)
New Brunswick =1 ipc
Prince Edward = 0-1 ipc
New Scotland = 1 ipc
New Foundland = 1ipc
Northern territories/Nunavut = 0 ipc (If its worth anything, its 1)No harm intended against my fellow Canadian friends. I’m just speaking gameplay and not about the general value of each province.
There will likely be some naval port and air port in the East coast. Where? I don’t know enough about WWII and Canadian history to speak.
Again, these are just estimations. I don’t have extensive knowledge of Canadian economy during WWII to know if its correct or not. Maybe someone else can complete the work?
Canada could easily fetch in the 12-15 ipc. That should be enough for Canada to be an Allied power right? Anzac has 10. So if Canada can get more. Plus, if they have 1-2 NO, that should be decent enough.
It will obviously weaken UK (if Canada is indeed separated). But that being said, I still see UK being in the 40, maybe even 50 ipc at the start of the game (don’t forget that he will lose alot of money against Japan in the Pacific (Borneo, Kwantung are easily taken.)
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I think it was said somewhere that the 7 major provinces would be on the board. And some other outlying territories lumped in with the others to make it manageable.
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If they put all those Canadian territories in the game, I demand all 50 states be seperate territories with their own IPC value!
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I don’t agree with ANZAC being a separate power. Militarily Aus & NZ were entirely subordinate to the UK, then from 1942 to the USA. South Africa was, if anything, more independent - it was after all a Republic.
The problem of India has always been that it has a much larger income base than has ever been represented in A&A; the worry being that India with a factory in effect becomes another Allied power and unbalances the game.
However, as I’ve always argued, factories should not be allowed in non-industrial areas; further, that income from overseas colonies must be transported via convoys - hence the big concern over losing the Suez canal. To accurately model the UK in WWII you have to show how the home country was entirely dependent on shipping getting through from the colonies and across the Atlantic. By all means allow the UK to fight on from Canada, but not with Indian and African money!
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Me and my friends actually believe that all of the provinces will be shown
Why bother with British Colombia and Yukon if its not to show all of the provinces and territories? In the old games, it was Western Canada (just like its WUSA, CUSA, EUSA)
So, if Canada gets all its provinces, and assuming no major mistakes, the East (Ontario and Quebec) are probably going to be 2-3 (or maybe more, but I doubt) ipc territory
So
British Colombia = 1ipc
Alberta = 1 ipc (sorry folks, no oil yet :)
Saskatchewan = 1 ipc
Manitoba = 1 ipc
Ontaria = 3 ipc (its probably the richest Canadian province at that time)
Quebec = 2 ipc (really not sure about this one. I’m pretty sure Quebec gets its economy boom after the war)
New Brunswick =1 ipc
Prince Edward = 0-1 ipc
New Scotland = 1 ipc
New Foundland = 1ipc
Northern territories/Nunavut = 0 ipc (If its worth anything, its 1)No harm intended against my fellow Canadian friends. I’m just speaking gameplay and not about the general value of each province.
There will likely be some naval port and air port in the East coast. Where? I don’t know enough about WWII and Canadian history to speak.
Again, these are just estimations. I don’t have extensive knowledge of Canadian economy during WWII to know if its correct or not. Maybe someone else can complete the work?
Canada could easily fetch in the 12-15 ipc. That should be enough for Canada to be an Allied power right? Anzac has 10. So if Canada can get more. Plus, if they have 1-2 NO, that should be decent enough.
It will obviously weaken UK (if Canada is indeed separated). But that being said, I still see UK being in the 40, maybe even 50 ipc at the start of the game (don’t forget that he will lose alot of money against Japan in the Pacific (Borneo, Kwantung are easily taken.)
no I think Canada will be divided into less territories
the maritimes well be a territory, Ottawa, Quebec, the prairies, north west territories, and B.C.
By the way it’s Nova scotia not New Scotland -
@Gwlachmai
The thing is : if they put all States, you will never be able to fly Aircraft one side to another! Just imagine the time lost in transporting troops for coast to coast. Of course, some people would be happy, because it will ‘split’ the US income. -
I don’t agree with ANZAC being a separate power. Militarily Aus & NZ were entirely subordinate to the UK, then from 1942 to the USA. South Africa was, if anything, more independent - it was after all a Republic.
Flash, for game play having the Anz as a separate power supports the fact that the US had control of the Pacific Theater. It forces the UK to spend $ there, that it might not do if there was no Anz (like past games). The Anz/US will work well together. In the global game w/Anz going before the US, it will be very dangerous for Jap . The US will definitely run the show, and its little brother will be very helpful. I think they will have the same level of cooperation in the global game as Italy/Germany did in AA50.
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But that’s one reason to be wary of adding lots of small powers - the can opener effect.
Anzac should move same time as UK, or same as USA. Maybe the benefit of transferring it to US control is that the allies can now afford to build units in Australia.
In history this was agreed so the UK could concentrate on India/Burma while the Americans coordinated Pacific strategy.
Each Alliance should have a maximum of 3 movement/combat turns.
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I really the can only work in the European theather, and likely, only on ground.
Its very unreasonable to think that 1 destroyer can block an entire fleet from moving. Thus, giving the opportunity to Anzac to clear WEAK defense is acceptable
We could use the same logic for Europe. But since the map is supposed to be BIGGER, I blame the Allies for letting the Axis gather a huge army of mech inf + tank near Russia’s capital to exploit a possible can opener
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What would be the need for all the Canadian provinces on the map when they are not even going to be represented in the game?
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I agree with you, Flashman, that it would make more sense to put some kind of limit on where you can place ICs, that India should be more valuable that it already is, and that income for the UK should be dependent upon open sea routes, which would put more value on the Suez and on clearing the Atlantic of Axis ships, but that would up the complexity level in a huge way, and with all the additional complexity already being added, I can see why Larry would be hesitant to add even more. I think we just have to be content with the income system as it is with the addition of convoys. :|
By all means allow the UK to fight on from Canada, but not with Indian and African money!
If I’m correct about Canada, if London falls Canada would only continue with the income from the territories with a Canadian roundel, so the UK/Canada combined power would not be able to collect any income from India or Africa until London is liberated. In fact, I think that the UK split income means that income from Canadian territories will only ever be able to be spent at a Canadian IC in the first place.
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I have to admit I’m terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can’t come out fast enough.
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