I don’t think it really matters if you take Alaska back as long as you build a solid defense. Unless the US player doesn’t see it coming, a move against the Western US is a bad strat.
The pros and cons of not taking Alaska back are debatable imo. The combination of Escorted Bombing Raids and Japan subs in S.Z.10 can be a massive economic disruption and really ties the U.S. up logistically.
If Western U.S. falls do you feel Allies can still win?
This is a all or nothing strat. Japan is “all in” on round 3. Either they take Western U.S. and essentially win imo, or they fail and have wasted their resources to a point they can’t recover from. There is no middle ground or stalling tactics.
Which leads to the next natural progression of this strat (I’ve been play A&A vs. this player for a looong time, and he has always been the most aggressive player at the table). At some point he will try to hit Western U.S. with everything on the board on Round 3. At the very least I would like to be prepared in the event it does happen.
I’m 99% sure I can tweak the Japan strat to bring more then enough to beat: 11 Fighters, 3 Tac, 1 Tank, 1 Art, 1 Mech, 13 Inf, Couple Bombers. (Approximate numbers from memory)
I will think about it some more and post later.If you would like to play a forum game so you can show me why this is a bad strat that would be great. I’m not saying I don’t believe you, I’m saying show me.
The “That should never happen, It’s easy to counter” comments with not much backing it up are getting old.
For the sake of every reader of this thread, please do play a game with this strat. As Tragedy said, it’s an “all-in” strat. I am inclined to think it could be stopped with a high rate of chance, but then I haven’t played this version of A&A that long, and it’s never been tried in my games.
Tragedy, if he won’t do it, I would like to try to defend against it in PBF with you as Japan - again - just to help you, me, and everyone else assess the viability of this radical strat.
The point someone made earlier about WUS only being worth 10 is silly. It’s worth 50 to the WUS, and if the US is out of the game that early, this game is unwinnable by the Allies (to answer your question, Tragedy)
For the sake of every reader of this thread, please do play a game with this strat. As Tragedy said, it’s an “all-in” strat. I am inclined to think it could be stopped with a high rate of chance, but then I haven’t played this version of A&A that long, and it’s never been tried in my games.
Tragedy, if he won’t do it, I would like to try to defend against it in PBF with you as Japan - again - just to help you, me, and everyone else assess the viability of this radical strat.
The point someone made earlier about WUS only being worth 10 is silly. It’s worth 50 to the WUS, and if the US is out of the game that early, this game is unwinnable by the Allies (to answer your question, Tragedy)
Yeah dude, I will play anyone that is interested. The invitation isn’t only for Gwlachmai.
I’m not here to beat my chest and spin this as an amazing I Win Button. Honestly I really hope it is easy to counter. I’m interested in experimenting with the progression of this tactic and see what it is capable of. As far as beating a competent/alert opponent with it, everyone knows exactly what I’m going to do. :wink:
I’m down for a game. I’d love to see this in action. Feel free to start a forum game. At the very least, either way it should be quick.
Yeah dude, I will play anyone that is interested. The invitation isn’t only for Gwlachmai.
I’m not here to beat my chest and spin this as an amazing I Win Button. Honestly I really hope it is easy to counter. I’m interested in experimenting with the progression of this tactic and see what it is capable of.
I understand. I am kind of a rookie at AAP40, but not of A&A in general. I am in the middle of my second game of AAP40 against a good player, but I haven’t taken the Allies yet. Just giving you full disclosure before you start the effort of playing (at least a 3-4 turn) a game with me. That said, I think I can stop Japan from taking over the WUS, and if I can’t (knowing that it’s coming, as you said) then that will give us all important information as well.
As far as beating a competent/alert opponent with it, everyone knows exactly what I’m going to do. :wink:
Good point. So we’ll find out if a rookie of AAP40 (but, I suppose, veteran of worldwide A&A games) who knows its coming, can stop it. I think that will give us all some valuable information.
Thanks for taking the time to try the strat with me. I appreciate it, and I’m looking forward to it. I should be able to post my move at least once a day, never less than once every 3 days, I think. It is my busy season at work, but I’m never too busy to play A&A :-)
Please start J1, and put a link to the thread on this page. Then everyone can easily find it, and observe what happens. I invite commentary as you play (possibly tell us what you’re thinking in some decisions) so we can more fully analyze this animal of a Kill USA First strat in AAP40.
Finally, as you and others have said, in USA2 if under full Jap attack, I would buy a suitable purchase for max defense (an appropriate mix of infantry, air, and possibly a destroyer block). Also, though I haven’t played this one too much, I think I understand the rules quite well, except for all the non-J1 attack crap (I always attack J1 so far) so that will not be a problem. Game on!
I’m down for a game. I’d love to see this in action. Feel free to start a forum game. At the very least, either way it should be quick.
I don’t know if you want to play 2 at once, Tragedy, but if you just want to play Gwla, I understand. Just let me know.
Honestly, if you move against Alaska on turn one, I’m not sure how you cannot see that coming. Likewise if the entire Japanese fleet consolidates in Japan on turn 1 I assume it’s to move against the US.
I’m down for a game. I’d love to see this in action. Feel free to start a forum game. At the very least, either way it should be quick.
I don’t know if you want to play 2 at once, Tragedy, but if you just want to play Gwla, I understand. Just let me know.
Lol, either way they’d both be quick games, this start is really kind of a make or break move.
Honestly, if you move against Alaska on turn one, I’m not sure how you cannot see that coming. Likewise if the entire Japanese fleet consolidates in Japan on turn 1 I assume it’s to move against the US.
Definitely. I totally agree.
Lol, either way they’d both be quick games, this start is really kind of a make or break move.
Sure is. I’m thinking mostly “break”, but maybe we’ll find out…
I think it would be awesome to play 2 games at once.
I am busy atm, give me a couple hours to get home, setup my board, make some tweaks, and examine variations (for example I might try basically the same opening move with some subtle differences); then I will start the games.
I appreciate u guys taking the time to work on this with me. :-)
gamerman01: Feel free to make your moves at your leisure, it’s all good.
Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
Yes and Yes.
I like having the board setup too, it helps me see things from a “different” angle.
Lol, sorry about that.
Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
I have an idea, too, Tragedy.
Why don’t you just do the same J1 for both of us. We can both pick up your Battlemap from the point of your J1 completion. That will save you some effort, as well.
There are a few versions of AAP40 running around out there, and I’m not sure they’re all compatible… I’m using some beta version… See my game in Play Boardgames section. Maybe download a map and make sure you can view it?
My P40 map - check compatibility
The map looks good to me. If you want to post one map for both of us, or if you’d rather do two seperate maps, just let us know. I’m cool with whatever you’re comfortable with.
The map is good. I’m having a prob getting the Toolbar window to show in ABattlemap, any suggestions?
I will post 1 map for both, sometime tonight. :-)
Go to view and on the drop down click on big pieces. I believe this will make the toolbar repop.
U.S. 1:
Purchase:
1 Fighter
2 InfantryU.S. 2:
Purchase:
5 Fighters
2 InfJ3:
Combat Moves:
Amphibious Assault on Western U.S.:
1 Battleship Bombardment
1 Cruiser Bombardment
4 Bombers, 11 Fighters, 7 Tac (Maybe 8?), 1 Tank, 7 infAA Gun Kills: 1 Bomber, 1 Tac, 1 Fighter
U.S. defends with:
13 fighters total (9 U.S., 4 ANZAC), 3 tacs, 2 Bombers, 1 Tank, 1 Mech, 1 Art, 7 Inf.Japan caps Western U.S. with 1 Tank, 1 Bomber remaining. On turn 3. Both sides had “average” dice rolls.
Thoughts/Feedback?
I agree with the “never work” camp. If Japan, with even dice “barely wins” with the poor US buys, it should not win with proper buys. I will follow this interesting thread though, and watch to see the games posted.
- I understand the concept of defending with Infantry…When u have 60ish some odd points to spend on U.S. 2 and u can only produce 10 units, suggesting all infantry is obviously inefficient. As Stoney229 said its apples and oranges.
I didn’t mean that the U.S. should buy 10 inf. I was just talking about general defensive tactics. And I will also take a look at this strategy (I really hope that it doesn’t work b/c that would honestly ruin the game). And What on earth are you guys talking about with these forum games? How do you play them? I would really like to show off my strategic brilliance once in a while. :wink:
I got the ball rolling.
Gwlachmai:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=17513.0
gamerman01:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=17514.0
