I can play ByForum or ByEmail, I need to play some more games…
The problem was I use to play LowLuck but we can play normal dicey, just a bit of editing… if the targem is to tray and learn new strategies… :grinning:
Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread
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They had halftracks and these look better IMO
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/Italy/ItalianHalfTrack-SupportVehicles.html
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I wanted to use this for the NEW AA Gun re: Bofors 15CM . It is the only weapon used by all Axis and Allied Nations in the Second World War.
Thoughts?
The AA gun used by all sides during the war was the Bofors 40mm L/60 gun. The only exception was the Soviets who used a 37mm Bofors gun.
There actually was a 15cm Bofors gun (152mm), but it was a naval gun designed in 1939 to be fitted on light cruisers.
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As for German SPGs, I think either the Hummel or the Wespe. I believe the Stug III was an Assault Gun, and the Elephant (or Ferdinand) was a Tank Destroyer.
The line between Assault Guns and Tank Destroyers became increasingly blurry as the war progressed, actually. The Stug III was an Assault Gun but ended up destroying its fair share of tanks. They also had the Nashorn, wich was a Tank Destroyer, and was supposed to be replaced by the Jagdpanzer IV. But some, like Guderian, believed that the JgdPzr IV was unnecessary, since the Stug III sufficed in the role of destroying tanks. Talk about confusing. Then throw Elephant and Jagdpanther into the mix…
Try reading up on the subject of german Tank Destroyers and Assault Guns, you’ll end up with more questions than when you started. :-D
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The ITALIAN halftrack shown was very uncommon in the Italian Army. There is another vehicle that they more commonly used for their motorized units (Besides the truck)… There were more than 20,000 of these built and were used in all Theaters where the Italians were engaged 1936-1943.
Not a halftrack or a bike… Likewise JAPAN also did not use halftracks often and used one of these also.
The Italian halftrack was limited to Northern Italy RE: “The Breda Typo 61 was used by Wehrmacht in North italy.”
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I love armored cars! Good job FMG!
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Sounds like FMG did their homework. Still, what is it?
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Would it be the Autoblinda AB43, by any chance?
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I think the Autoblinda AB 41 was produced in much greater numbers than the 43. FMG?
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OK sorry but using an armoured car for mech inf just ain’t working for me… :-(
IMTO if you can’t fit a section of PBI inside it then you’re outside your arcs methinks.
#657
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I am afraid this is all getting out of hand! :-(
I thought this all began with a simple desire to supplement the AA pieces with additional units
becz Hasbro refused to sell us those addt’l units we wanted or needed.Now it has morphed into this seemingly byzantine monstrosity of additional units for which there is no use in the game unless you add house rules.
Think about it, we are being asked to buy a product for a game in which there is no use for those units!!
Our group of AA players has no use for “house rules.” They freaked out when I replaced Ottawa with Cairo as a victory city!I am not real thrilled at this prospect.
I just wanted some addt’l units; simple and cheap and I was not expecting they had to have all the bells and whistles;
and historicity that you all here are demanding.These demands will result in a $100 gold plated diamond toothpick with a silver carrying case for goodness sake.
I just wanted more toothpicks at a reasonable price. I did not need them made out of mahogany with a silver carrying case.
After enthusiastically supporting this project, I see my interest waning.
I am just not going to be paying $20-$30 per country for it looks like half the units I’ll never even be needing nor wanting.
Just the basics at $8 a sprue.
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I am afraid this is all getting out of hand! :-(
So Bill, what you’d like to suggest to FMG is: crank out their Italians in two lines; the canonical units as a base set and an advanced set with pillboxes, trucks, commanders etc.
Then the Germans as two sets, the Japanese as two sets etc. etc.
Can’t really speed up production by just going for base or advanced as it might alienate part of their consumers…
So really it’s just re-package them and maybe get more sales since then they’ll broaden their appeal and make each set less expensive?
#663
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From the list of pieces that will be included in each national set, there are only 3 that are not used in A&A games – Commanders, Transport Planes and Trucks. I would hardly call that “half” of the pieces. The Half-tracks (representing mechanized infantry) and TAC bombers are included in the newest A&A games: Pacific 1940 and Europe 1940. Furthermore, I would point out that as the A&A games evolve, they have added new units so perhaps future A&A games will include Commanders, Transport Planes and/or Trucks. In Battle of the Bulge, they actually DO use trucks as well. Remember, the original A&A games didn’t have destroyers, cruisers or artillery.
Also, FMG is not making these pieces JUST for A&A. They can be used for many other WW2 games as well, some of which DO use the “extra” pieces.
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Wow, Shakespeare… lay off a bit.
As knp stated, there are only THREE units that are not in the OOB games – if you don’t like them, don’t use them. Those three units aren’t adding significant amounts to the project, and they do add something to the vast amount of players that use house rules.
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Personally, I would be happy to use the new Italian Truck peice as either Motorised Infantry (house rules) or Mechanised Infantry (OOB). I know that the two can hardly be compared, but at the end of the day, it’s still mobile infantry we’re talking about here - armoured or not. I believe that all powers in the game should have the same/uniform representation of units.
I’m not too keen on an Armoured Car unit representing Mech Inf, but we will have to wait and see what FMG comes up with. If it’s the best they can do though, then I’m still happy with it because at least the Mechanised Infantry unit will still have been realised/delivered.
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Hmmm yeah I might be tempted to use the truck as I can’t see any other use for the trucks at this stage….
#666
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Exactly! :-)
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You will have the option! Use the Truck or the Armored car.
It is just a piece than REPRESENTS a Mech Inf division. In reality the division used Armored cars / Half tracks and Trucks. Using a Halftrack for all nations is not realistic. The Japanese did not develop and use halftracks until 1945 (and crappy ones at that). The Italian Motorized divisions used Trucks and Armored cars EXTENSIVELY. The British used the Bren Carrier and lorries… get my point?
Just because the USA,USSR and Germany used Halftracks does not mean that every nation should have them (There are now 9 “nations” in the game). Even Germany had over 30 vehicles they used in different types of Mech Inf divisions.
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Here is the collection of ARMY vehicles we have currently
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I think the Autoblinda AB 41 was produced in much greater numbers than the 43. FMG?
You are correct
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Nice! :D One question: Are you creating French and Chinese units too? As these armies were more “limited” you could join them with some canadian or australian units (and maybe neutrals) and sell them alltogether as you sell the italian pieces…
I guess I have another question: which units are next?
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