TGC (Germany) vs. Karl7 (Allies) Original Europe

[The_Good_Captain]

@Karl7

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 bomber and 5 fighters moved from Germany to Poland
        10 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Belorussia
            Germans attack with 10 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 10 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 16/63 hits, 16.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belorussia
            Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 10 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Poland
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 3 infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 3 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Poland
            Germans win, taking Poland from British with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        9 armour moved from Hungary to East Poland
        7 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Austria to Germany
        1 bomber and 5 fighters moved from Poland to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        12 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : 0.83
British regular : -0.67

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[The_Good_Captain]

@Karl7

small NCM edit. use this file plz: G5 ncm edit.tsvg

[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Azores Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Algeria: 1 armour
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Northern Italy: 1 armour
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 armour moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United States to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Moscow

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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[The_Good_Captain]

@Karl7

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        10 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
        8 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        4 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Austria

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Moscow
            Germans attack with 24 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 45 infantry
            British defend with 3 fighters; Americans defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 4 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 52 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 45 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 23/78 hits, 24.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 6 artilleries, 5 fighters and 52 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 28/67 hits, 24.00 expected hits
                28 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                23 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 17 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 21/50 hits, 19.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 6 artilleries, 5 fighters and 29 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 16/44 hits, 16.33 expected hits
                16 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                21 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 16/34 hits, 15.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 6 artilleries, 5 fighters and 8 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 10/23 hits, 9.33 expected hits
                8 artilleries owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                8 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 armour owned by the Russians and 6 artilleries owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                Germans roll dice for 23 armour and 1 bomber in Moscow, round 5 : 16/24 hits, 12.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour and 5 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 4/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                1 fighter owned by the Russians, 2 armour owned by the Russians, 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 3 fighters owned by the British lost in Moscow
            Germans captures 22PUs while taking Russians capital
            Germans win, taking Moscow from Russians with 19 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 68
            Casualties for Germans: 5 armour, 8 artilleries and 45 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 4 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 fighter and 52 infantry
            Casualties for British: 3 fighters
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger GermanVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentGermanVictorySwitch attached to Germans
        2 armour moved from East Poland to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Moscow to Belorussia
        1 bomber moved from Belorussia to East Poland

    Place Units - Germans
        8 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 24 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 4.33
Germans regular : 4.50
Russians AA : -0.17

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[Karl7]

@The_Good_Captain

well done, another proof that Germany can win every time

[The_Good_Captain]

@Karl7

? Then what happened in the first two games?

[The_Good_Captain]

I’m the one saying otherwise and if my own games are going to be used against my position, why am I playing Germany?

[Karl7]

@The_Good_Captain

so I lost 1 won 1 as Germany. You have won 2 as Germany

I can take germany again

[Karl7]

@Karl7

your strategy seems pretty optimal. Give up W. Europe and storm Russia.

Which if I recall was the sort of “break the game” straegy. My first game I was seeing if there was some possibility of German equalibrium potential on money. But alas, no.

[Karl7]

@Karl7

I will place sub off canada and us and buy artillery to place in poland

[The_Good_Captain]

@Karl7 said in TGC (Germany) vs. Karl7 (Allies) Original Europe:

@The_Good_Captain

so I lost 1 won 1 as Germany. You have won 2 as Germany

I can take germany again

That’s…a way of looking at.

I see it as both times I played as the Allies, the worst game was a coin flip. I would use those as exhibit A and B in “the game is balanced”.

But I’ll just put a pause on this here and send you a PM before this goes too far down the rabbit hole.

[Karl7]

@The_Good_Captain

Sure, no ego here. I think this is fun. Let me take Germany and let’s see if I can’t replicate your success

[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery and 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone
              Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British
        1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
              Germans take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from British
        1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from France to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Germany to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        2 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        1 artillery moved from Poland to East Poland
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to East Poland
        1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Rumania to Bessarabia
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        1 fighter moved from Poland to East Poland
        2 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 submarines
            British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 4 submarines
            British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                Germans roll dice for 4 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British and 2 transports owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports
        Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in English Channel Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in English Channel Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in English Channel Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in North Sea Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 1 transport
            British defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 transport owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 36
            Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
            Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Germans attack with 4 armour, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery and 6 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia
            Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 4 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry
        Battle in Gibraltar
        Battle in East Poland
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Russians defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
            Germans win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking East Poland from Russians with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Rumania
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Czechoslovakia to Poland
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Austria to Hungary
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        2 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Poland
        2 armour moved from Germany to Poland
        3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
        4 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany
        2 armour moved from France to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 bomber moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Germany
        1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 fighter moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
        2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
        2 fighters moved from East Poland to Poland

    Place Units - Germans
        1 artillery and 12 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 1.33
Germans regular : 0.83
British regular : 0.17

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