Elche(x) v Gamerman01 Classic no tech Russia restricted

[gamerman01]

US attacks Med fleet with everything and the subs have dud torpedos and the bombers have no idea where the German fleet is!

You hit 2X on defense and I lose 2 precious transports! My subs do not withdraw.

Does your sub withdraw? Three sea zones available!

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Triple A did the defender submarine wrong? Seemed to fire a sneak attack for the defender, which I believe is wrong for Classic. Only attacking subs get sneak attack.

[elche]

A lot of rule questions for an “easy” game.
I will ask Martin. He has the orginal rules in german.
And I am not sure how we play this. But I think we played without sneak attack from subs.

My sub will fight.

[gamerman01]

Sounds great, asking Martin.
I’m quite sure Triple A was wrong to do that, but didn’t matter in this case.
Let’s see if I can hit anything in round 2!

[gamerman01]

@elche said in Elche(x) v Gamerman01 Classic no tech Russia restricted:

A lot of rule questions for an “easy” game.

Exactly!

Then in round 2 when I have the opportunity to withdraw subs, of course Triple A thinks you withdraw all subs or none.
This is incorrect also. The “classified” rules clarifications say you can withdraw any number of subs each round, and those subs can withdraw to a different sea zone each round if desired, though the attacker would have to withdraw to a sea zone a unit came from.
Doesn’t matter, my subs are staying to hunt the battleship of course, but I am telling you for your benefit in the future.

If you are not familiar with these rules clarifications (I believe at the time I bought my game at Toys R Us in 1989 this 2 page rules clarifications was included in the box!

[gamerman01]

A horrible round 1 and then a perfect round 2 and 3, the battle ends almost as expected? A&A at its finest.

[gamerman01]

And then I KNEW the bomber would go down over Hawaii. Well, I gotta be happy I didn’t come up empty.

[gamerman01]

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[gamerman01]

The US has the least value of material on the board!

[elche]

Of course, I believe your rules.
I think it will not happen often with the subs but makes sense.

The USA lose the Pacific fleet and now the Med fleet.
But USA helps Russia and UK because Japan needs time and money to do so.

[elche]

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 2 armour and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from East Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from Germany to West Europe
        1 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Germany to West Europe
        4 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe
        1 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters
            Americans defend with 2 submarines and 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                2 submarines owned by the Americans and 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
            Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines and 1 transport
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in West Europe
            Germans attack with 3 armour and 5 infantry
            British defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 armour and 5 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 4 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe
                4 infantry owned by the British lost in West Europe
            Germans win, taking West Europe from British with 3 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Europe
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe
        1 infantry moved from South Europe to East Europe
        1 aaGun moved from South Europe to West Europe
        1 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        2 armour and 7 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,17
Russians regular : -0,33
Germans regular : 3,50
British regular : 0,67

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[elche]

I was a little bit to fast with my move.
I forget my inf in Kenya.
If okay please edit to SA.

[gamerman01]

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[elche]

You get 1 hit in West US Seazone. OOL please and I will attack again if possible, did your sub retreat ?
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[elche]

Thank you for SA.

[gamerman01]

Lose sub

[elche]

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 bomber and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Russia
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Evenki National Okrug
        1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        1 armour moved from Manchuria to Sinkiang
              Japanese take Sinkiang from Americans
        2 fighters moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to West US Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Strategic bombing raid in Russia
            Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 1 and costs: 1 PU.
            Bombing raid costs 1 PU
        Battle in Evenki National Okrug
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Evenki National Okrug, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Evenki National Okrug, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Evenki National Okrug
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Evenki National Okrug
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Novosibirsk
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters
            Americans defend with 1 armour
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Japanese win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Americans: 1 armour
        Battle in West US Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 submarine and 2 transports
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in West US Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 transports in West US Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in West US Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in West US Sea Zone
            Americans win with 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Kwangtung
        1 aaGun moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
        1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to French Indo China
        1 armour moved from Manchuria to French Indo China
        2 battleships, 2 carriers and 2 transports moved from Red Sea Zone to French Indo China Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to French Indo China Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Manchuria
        1 submarine moved from North Australia Sea Zone to Hawaii Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Manchuria

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Manchuria
        1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0,67
Japanese regular : 2,17
Russians regular : 1,33
British regular : -0,33

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[gamerman01]

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[elche]

Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 armour and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 armour and 6 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in West Europe
            Germans attack with 2 armour and 6 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun and 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 6 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 4 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe
                3 infantry owned by the British lost in West Europe
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 5 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 1/7 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in West Europe
            Germans win, taking West Europe from British with 2 armour and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        3 armour and 6 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,17
British regular : -0,67

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[gamerman01]

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[elche]

Hello my friend.
with the pretty nice Name - Fighter. I did not forget our rule question but Martin is very busy and we will do a phone call at Eastern about the rules. I will know this before I start a new classic game.
Sorry for delay, i had a teeth operation and could not do anything the last days.