L23/24 P2V Mainah X+7 v mr_stucifer L

[Stucifer]

@mainah For key battles I’m fine doing round by round, however with my schedule this week between work, family, and a wedding (not mine!) it would be a detriment to the game.

Regular OOL in tripleA except: lose tacs and 2 fighters before any cruisers

[Stucifer]

@mainah said in L23/24 P2V Mainah X+7 v mr_stucifer L:

Actually I just remembered that amphib combat has to be conducted first. According to global rules, which ptv uses unless otherwise stated in the notes. At least to my understanding.

I’ve been playing this wrong, I’ve always done all sea battles first and then amphib and then land! I think I read the “Step 1: Sea Combat” in the rulebook as being a general combat rule not just for amphibs

[Stucifer]

@mainah Full scramble from Malta. The Regia Marina will taste the bottom of the Mediterranean, even if it costs us Valetta!

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer said in L23/24 P2V Mainah X+7 v mr_stucifer L:

@mainah said in L23/24 P2V Mainah X+7 v mr_stucifer L:

Actually I just remembered that amphib combat has to be conducted first. According to global rules, which ptv uses unless otherwise stated in the notes. At least to my understanding.

I’ve been playing this wrong, I’ve always done all sea battles first and then amphib and then land! I think I read the “Step 1: Sea Combat” in the rulebook as being a general combat rule not just for amphibs

I played like you for years, then an opponent called me out earlier this year and I had to look it up. It goes bombing raids, amphib s, then as you wish. As a sub-set of amphib, that goes the related sea battle if applicable, then the amphib assault.

I have no problem slow rolling the battle to accommodate your schedule. As it is so crucial, I feel the need to unilaterally over ride you OOL for your own good. Your elo will suffer far more from a loss from me than vice versa. If we rated the old way, I don’t think it’d matter as much, but now “it’ll go on your permanent record” (in the voice and cadence of the Violent Femmes)

[Stucifer]

@mainah Well I am available for the next two hours if you want to pound it out real quick. The opening salvo is the most important, if Italy whiffs enough I will probably try to save a carrier.

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer
It’s coming

[Stucifer]

@mainah

[mainah]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 carrier and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 4 submarines moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        3 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta

    Combat - Italians
        British scrambles 2 units out of Malta to defend against the attack in 96 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malta
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malta
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Malta
            Italians win, taking Malta from British with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 5 transports
                Italians roll dice for 4 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 2.17
British regular : 1.33

Savegame

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer

Amphib succeeded. All subs missed. 6 initial hits.

[Stucifer]

@mainah Tilt BB, Sink 1 CV, DD, Tac, Tac

[mainah]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 carrier and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 4 submarines moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        3 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta

    Combat - Italians
        British scrambles 2 units out of Malta to defend against the attack in 96 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malta
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malta
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Malta
            Italians win, taking Malta from British with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 5 transports
                Italians roll dice for 4 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 6 transports in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/13 hits, 6.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 bomber owned by the Italians, 2 fighters owned by the Italians and 2 submarines owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the British, 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 2 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 2.50
British regular : 3.00

Savegame

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer

8 hits by the allies!

I am down to 2 SS, 1 CA, a tilted BB, 2 figs, 1 tac.

SS got a hit.

[mainah]

American or British CA?

[Stucifer]

@mainah British CA, but may change to carrier depending on the rest of the rolls. Technically I can wait to choose casualties on the submarine strike until you roll the others, tripleA just doesn’t support it due to the way it is coded, unfortunate in edge cases like this

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer
Actually, rule book says sub hits, when they are surprised, roll first, and hits assigned first, as the hits do not get a return shot.

3 more hits. With the CA gone, you have 3 CA’s, tilted BB, CV, 3 figs

[mainah]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 carrier and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 4 submarines moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        3 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta

    Combat - Italians
        British scrambles 2 units out of Malta to defend against the attack in 96 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malta
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malta
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Malta
            Italians win, taking Malta from British with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 5 transports
                Italians roll dice for 4 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 6 transports in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/13 hits, 6.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 bomber owned by the Italians, 2 fighters owned by the Italians and 2 submarines owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the British, 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 2 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 2.67
British regular : 3.00

Savegame

[Stucifer]

@mainah Silly me, I was thinking in the case of still having a destroyer. Since you took Malta I do not think there is any reasonable expectation of me being able to save this fleet. I should have moved those units from Tunisia into Malta, no reason not too, I am not sure why I didn’t. I probably did in my test game lol. Made a similar mistake in another game last play. C’est la vie

Lose 2 cruisers (keep 1 UK) and 1 fighter

[mainah]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 carrier and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 4 submarines moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        3 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta

    Combat - Italians
        British scrambles 2 units out of Malta to defend against the attack in 96 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malta
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malta
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Malta
            Italians win, taking Malta from British with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 5 transports
                Italians roll dice for 4 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 6 transports in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/13 hits, 6.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 bomber owned by the Italians, 2 fighters owned by the Italians and 2 submarines owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the British, 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 2 submarines in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 3 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers and 6 transports in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 battleship owned by the Italians, 1 submarine owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser owned by the Americans, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 3.33
British regular : 2.67

Savegame

[Stucifer]

@mainah Tilt CV

[mainah]

@mr_stucifer said in L23/24 P2V Mainah X+7 v mr_stucifer L:

@mainah Silly me, I was thinking in the case of still having a destroyer. Since you took Malta I do not think there is any reasonable expectation of me being able to save this fleet. I should have moved those units from Tunisia into Malta, no reason not too, I am not sure why I didn’t. I probably did in my test game lol. Made a similar mistake in another game last play. C’est la vie

Lose 2 cruisers (keep 1 UK) and 1 fighter

We all make mistakes, me more than my fair share. Completely get it.

tilted the CV for the sub hit.
1 more hit. you have tilted cv, tilted bb, CA, 2 figs. I would think a fig?