KGF+JTDTM fanmania,
Why all this hate and loathing against effective gameplay? You don’t play to win?
i always play for fun. would you beleive i havent had a game in this new pacific that hasnt lasted longer then 4 rounds?
i always play for fun. would you beleive i havent had a game in this new pacific that hasnt lasted longer then 4 rounds?
You thinx Japan can capture 6 VC in 4 rounds ? Or the Allies can capture Japan in 4 rounds ?
That sure would be Blitzkrieg, dude.
@Subotai:
KGF+JTDTM fanmania,
Why all this hate and loathing against effective gameplay? You don’t play to win?
A balanced aproach works for allies in Revised (they call it KJF), and it would work better if not where for the bid (medium bids to be able of playing allies are greatly inflated). Also Polar Express is a nice counter for gamey ignore Japan strat, you are not forced to follow JTDTM
The thing that annoys me is everybody just ignore Japan even if Japan is uberdiced J1 and the board is crying for a balanced approach. Online, I have played tons of games and faced zero times a allied balanced approach: they just KGF until end of ages. And many cannot understand how Whashington fallen before than Moscow. At least my FTF group is more imaginative :-)
Many people never tried a balanced approach or a Polar Express in Revised (or german baltic fleet for that matter). Try them a couple of times and discover a fun and probably better strat or continue your scripted games, LL techless fanboy :lol:
On topic, it’s too soon to see if global is balanced. I’m not decided about AA40P balance yet because it has not obvious setup and rules failures as AA50 has
I think total German IPC at start will be around 34 IPC (just a guess)
Germany (3tt)–-12
Austria----------2
Czec------------2
W Poland--------3
Romania---------2
Hungary---------2
Slovakia---------2
Norway----------3
Finland----------2
Denmark---------2
Neth/Belg/Lux----2
Some countries could be combined or worth only 1 IPC.
Then it will take France --7/8
I also think there will be a couple pro-axis neutrals between Germany and Russia that Germany/Italy will be able to claim w/o consequence. Early conquest will also start giving the axis their NO’s. By the end of the 2nd round Germany should be over 50 IPC.
Italy should start rather low but will have Albania and more tt in Africa to start. I’m thinking around 20 IPC total. It will also expand fast in to neutral countries/Africa and maybe take lower France (Vichy). By the end of rd2 it should be around 30-35 IPC w/NO’s.
It should be easier for the axis to get their NO’s early on as they will be expanding. I also think convoy’s will play a bigger role in AA40E this should help Germany as well.
I wonder if Free France will get some rules to deploy units after lose of Paris … maybe China style (only inf) or maybe a IC at French Congo …
Your guess seems OK, I guess then USSR will be in the 40s if they have to survive a bit … at least 10 for Siberia 20 from Europe and 10 from NOs …
Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Norway
Denmark
Neth/Belg/Lux
germany didnt control these contres till late 1940 and sinse the game starts earlyer in 1940 the would not be occupied
-12 ipcs so its now 24
And many cannot understand how Whashington fallen before than Moscow.
I have not seen that in 20 years. I cannot imagine this happening if both players are close to semi-decent.
@i:
Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Norway
Denmark
Neth/Belg/Lux
germany didnt control these contres till late 1940 and sinse the game starts earlyer in 1940 the would not be occupied
-12 ipcs so its now 24
The exact start date is June 4th, so mid 1940. Larry Harris has confirmed that all of these nations will be german controlled at the start of the game, Slovakia and Hungry are going to be one territory.
@i:
Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Norway
Denmark
Neth/Belg/Lux
germany didnt control these contres till late 1940 and sinse the game starts earlyer in 1940 the would not be occupied
-12 ipcs so its now 24The exact start date is June 4th, so mid 1940. Larry Harris has confirmed that all of these nations will be german controlled at the start of the game, Slovakia and Hungry are going to be one territory.
Yea the info I posted was from Larry’s earlier posts where he (at that time) spilled the beans on these countries being under total German control at start (some could change). Like I said some of those countries could be combined. The IPC values are an educated guess, I derived from AA50. I think Germany’s income should be in the mid 30’s to start, with a good chance to expand rd1 through France. There may also be a couple of pro axis tt to the east (like Bulgaria) Germany can simply move into w/o consequences.
I wonder if Free France will get some rules to deploy units after lose of Paris … maybe China style (only inf) or maybe a IC at French Congo …
I wouldn’t count on it. Larry doesn’t like you to build after you loose your capital. Besides if you could just sprout up French rebels in Africa (like Chinese) they wouldn’t be able to leave Africa (ACME WALL) :?. Poor French couldn’t even help liberate Paris :x. LOL
Your guess seems OK, I guess then USSR will be in the 40s if they have to survive a bit … at least 10 for Siberia 20 from Europe and 10 from NOs …
Yea that sounds about right. I wonder if there will be any kind of lend lease for Russia, or if it will just be reflected through an NO again.
@Subotai:
And many cannot understand how Whashington fallen before than Moscow.
I have not seen that in 20 years. I cannot imagine this happening if both players are close to semi-decent.
Dude, stop thinking you are playing Classic (I suspect your tech hating is due 3 dice HBs nightmares): Revised was released 5 years ago :lol: If they don’t try Polar Express or a balanced allied strat, they cannot win with those strats
I have played as axis at least 2 games with great opponents playing allied side and Whashington fallen before any other capital (courtesy from Polar Express as counter to ignore Japan strat). Other times allies surrendered because they had big economic disadvantage, and I lost only a couple of games. I have not the exact totals, but my win percentage as axis is greater with Polar Express than with JTDTM
@WILD:
I wonder if Free France will get some rules to deploy units after lose of Paris … maybe China style (only inf) or maybe a IC at French Congo …
I wouldn’t count on it. Larry doesn’t like you to build after you loose your capital. Besides if you could just sprout up French rebels in Africa (like Chinese) they wouldn’t be able to leave Africa (ACME WALL) :?. Poor French couldn’t even help liberate Paris :x. LOL
Let’s add China can buy after losing her capital (game starts with Nanking fallen, similar to Paris falling G1) and that also any sort of ACME wall should be deleted with retroactive effects: China, France, neutral or what you want. But good point: Larry thinks that you should not buy after losing the capital, even if many examples is the history and WWII counter this idea (man, even the poles continued the struggle and they had not even a territory)
So I agree with you and the best guess Larry will not give us a exilied capital rule :|
Hey great point about continuing on after your capital is taken (China). So there is precedence. You should hammer Larry on it. After a capital falls you surrender your $, but can still produce infantry at certain points of entry (maybe VC) based on the tt value that you still control. Personally I think you should be able to mobilize inf at a VC w/o IC any way.
The values given above are rubbish; Netherlands/Belgium alone is worth more in industrial output than all the rest, possible about equal if we consider Romanian oil.
I’ve argued long and hard against the neolithic capture-the capital-rules, but LH is simply will not consider changing them for a moment.
This is why we’ll still be seeing those columns of Japanese tanks heading for Moscow in the global game, despite attempts to divert the ignorant multitudes with nonsense such as victory cities and low value Siberia.
If your capital is captured, you surrender half of your IPCs to the power that captured your capital and the rest are forefit to the bank.
Any remaning factories you started the game with and are still under your control may continue to operate in the following fashion. Factories may collect IPCs from the territory they are on, and any territories that power controls within 3 spaces of that factory. These IPCs may not be saved, they must be spent immidatley on units.
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By these rules (which still need minor tweaks) India, canada, and perhaps south africa, and obviously ANZAC continue to fight. The Western United States fights to liberate the east coast, Russia doesnt put up a white flag the second Moscow falls, factories continue to produce, albeit like an infantry and an artillery a turn but still! If China can get units and doesnt even have a factory, and these powers have factories.
by these rules also, canada can collect from all of canada, which may be around 5-8 IPCs total
India can collect from burma, and shan state, and malya, but not far flung territores
Western US still collects from alaska, etc
Germany still collects from its territores if soviets take berlin, and it still has france.
Japan only starts with one factory, so they dont realy benifit from this, no japanese dvisions are being raised in shangtung and french indochina etc. if Tokyo falls
Expect something similar to this to be in my 1940 house rules suplement
also stuff like convincing spain to join the war. artilery act as blockhouses when defending against amphibious invasions. US gets an atom bomb…etc.
The values given above are rubbish; Netherlands/Belgium alone is worth more in industrial output than all the rest, possible about equal if we consider Romanian oil.
Well I guess you could make Denmark worth 1 and Bel/Neth worth 3 (to match the map attached to your name) if it makes you feel better. I thought that because of the strategic importance of the straight, it warranted a boost to Denmark. Actually I’m hoping that the Denmark peninsula is a separate tt from the Danish Island’s (even if it has no IPC value), so the Luftwaffe will be able to scramble w/AB (but it probably won’t happen). Any way my earlier post was just to show that Germany’s income should start out in the mid 30’s. That they would sill have many tt at the start even w/earlier start date. In AA50 NW Europe is only worth 2 IPC, I doubled it to 4 IPC. At the end the 3 countries (Den/Bel/Neth) will still be worth about 4 IPC’s together IMO. I cant see Larry making them any higher. The big question about the area is will Germany have a port on the North sea w/IC giving it direct access as it should.
The other thing to consider is that 3 IPC tt allow you to build a major IC. I really don’t think there will be another one on that coast line.
Well isn’t it a little early to start complaining about something that we don’t have information on yet :? I would say its safe to make an assumption that Germany will be strong right off the bat. This being said after seeing the Japanese setup. But I would say the German setup will probably land units than air units. That would be my guess.
Boy how all of our thoughts have changed.
Look Axis need:
Berlin (Hold your capital as Germany, not too hard)
Warsaw (Don’t be pushed in after “Operation Barbarossa”
Rome (Hold Italy’s capital)
Tokyo (Hold your cute little island)
Shanghai (Don’t let China or India take it)
Paris (Do your G1 attack)
Cairo (As Italy, just get pass)
Calcutta (Get pass weaker India)
Leningrad (Start plowing towards Moscow)
Stalingrad (Get ready for the big hit)
Moscow (Apply your big hit)
Sydney (Get enough troops in Australia)
Hong Kong (Capture Kwangtaung)
Honolulu (Land a huge force on the island)
Allies
Berlin (Get pass Paris, cripple Germany in the East, get enough troops in after how long?)
Tokyo (Land on the island with enough troops to take like a million infantry!)
Rome (Land in France or Sicily move up take Italy’s capital)
I think Axis are easier.
