TGC (CP) vs Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob, with RR rule, Game 3


  • @SuperbattleshipYamato said in TGC (CP) vs Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob, with RR rule, Game 3:

    @The_Good_Captain

    Just take Paris, will you? I can’t stand to lose anymore (sorry if that sounded pathetic, but I do take this stuff slightly personally, even if I mean no ill will toward you, and I don’t like conceding).

    Believe me, I am taking Paris as quickly as possible. The fact is, the force that is there is barely enough to do the job and can just as easily fail as succeed when I run the calc (they will be exposed to a decent French counter attack after entry). The tanks are coming up to do the job. You’ll just have to trust me when I say that this is a normal game when it comes to playing to the exact victory conditions listed in the manual. Concession is the norm and would totally be warranted at this point. But I can’t in good faith simply pull a trigger that has a chance at making the game go even longer.


  • @The_Good_Captain

    I know, I’m acting like an idiot.

    I believe you. Considering how you took Holland I hope that means I only have to endure a couple more turns of utter humiliation.


  • @SuperbattleshipYamato said in TGC (CP) vs Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob, with RR rule, Game 3:

    @The_Good_Captain

    I know, I’m acting like an idiot.

    I believe you. Considering how you took Holland I hope that means I only have to endure a couple more turns of utter humiliation.

    I really think if its not fun we should call the game. You played tenaciously and I even reached out to my buddy Ragnell804 to talk to him about how hard you’re fighting and how hard it is to truly bury the Entente - its not like this when the CP lose.

    Its nobody’s fault the game designers decided to make the victory conditions so odd. I am up to 52 games completed of 1914, and yours are the only that are not played to concession. You should not feel humiliated and I’d hate to think that’s whats happening here (I’m incredibly impressed actually). I’d just hate to think that playing this way while you’re not having fun will make you hate the game.


  • @The_Good_Captain

    It’s not just this game, I play almost all my games to victory conditions.

    I still enjoy these games, even if the end is sometimes quite exhausting. It’s just a somewhat irrational desire to play to the very end.

    I guess I got a little over the top with “humiliated”. It’s just sad to see my guys get defeated. Sort of how I guess those generals back in the day felt when they were losing.

    I would like to still play.

    I think you’re right that it’s much harder to defeat the Allies. I saw that when Tamer of Beasts beat you as the Allies he only did it in 10 turns. A number that shocked me when our games go past 12 turns, and in this case, 20.


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 24
    
        Puchase Units - French
            French buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - French
            1 transport moved from SZ 14 to SZ 1
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 2 to SZ 14
    
        Combat Move - French
    
        Place Units - French
            4 infantry placed in Paris
    
        Turn Complete - French
            French collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 24
    
        Puchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 11 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Constantinople: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_Allied to Constantinople: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 tank moved from Persia to Mesopotamia
            4 artilleries, 15 infantry and 2 tanks moved from Ankara to Mesopotamia
            1 infantry moved from Ankara to Mesopotamia
            1 artillery, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tank moved from India to Persia
            6 fighters moved from Persia to Mesopotamia
            16 artilleries and 13 tanks moved from Constantinople to Ankara
            1 battleship moved from SZ 14 to SZ 7
            1 battleship moved from SZ 8 to SZ 7
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
                  British take Belgian Congo from AustroHungarians
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to British East Africa
                  British take British East Africa from AustroHungarians
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Mesopotamia
                British attack with 7 artilleries, 6 fighters, 18 infantry and 3 tanks
                Germans defend with 12 artilleries and 16 infantry
                    British roll dice for 7 artilleries, 6 fighters, 18 infantry and 3 tanks in Mesopotamia, round 2 : 13/34 hits, 14.83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 12 artilleries and 16 infantry in Mesopotamia, round 2 : 18/28 hits, 14.00 expected hits
                Units damaged: 3 tanks owned by the British
                    13 infantry owned by the Germans and 15 infantry owned by the British lost in Mesopotamia
                Germans and British reach a stalemate
                . Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for British: 15 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 13 infantry
    
        Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from SZ 7: 2 battleships
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to SZ 8: 2 battleships
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Place Units - British
            1 artillery, 1 fighter, 11 infantry and 1 tank placed in India
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 1 fighter and 10 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to London: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to SZ 8: 2 battleships
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to SZ 8: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from SZ 8: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to SZ 8: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 4.00
    British regular : -1.83
    

  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 24
    
        Turn Complete - Ottomans
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 24
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 24
    
        Puchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 11 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
                    AustroHungarians roll mine dice in SZ 17 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    AustroHungarians roll mine dice in SZ 16 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            1 battleship moved from SZ 16 to SZ 7
            2 battleships moved from SZ 20 to SZ 16
            1 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to Algeria
                  French take Algeria from AustroHungarians
            2 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to SZ 14
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 14 to SZ 23
            2 infantry moved from SZ 23 to Togoland
            3 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to Algeria
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Spanish Morocco
            10 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            8 infantry and 4 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14
            8 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Spanish Morocco
    
        Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory SZ 16
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 transport moved from SZ 14 to SZ 1
    
        Place Units - Americans
            3 infantry placed in United States of America
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States of America: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to SZ 1: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 11 to 5
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 25 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    AustroHungarians mine : -0.67
    


  • @SuperbattleshipYamato

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - AustroHungarians
            AustroHungarians buy 1 artillery, 19 infantry and 3 tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - AustroHungarians
            3 units repaired.
            3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Marseilles to Piedmont
            3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Portugal to Spain
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste
            1 infantry moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
            8 infantry and 2 tanks moved from Bulgaria to Constantinople
            5 infantry moved from Romania to Sevastopol
            4 fighters moved from Romania to Constantinople
            11 infantry moved from Galicia to Romania
            2 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste
            18 infantry and 1 tank moved from Vienna to Galicia
    
        Combat - AustroHungarians
            Battle in Constantinople
                AustroHungarians attack with 18 artilleries, 24 fighters, 70 infantry and 5 tanks
                British defend with 1 factory and 1 port; Neutral_Allied defend with 1 infantry
                    AustroHungarians roll dice for 18 artilleries, 24 fighters, 70 infantry and 5 tanks in Constantinople, round 2 : 48/117 hits, 48.00 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Constantinople, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allied lost in Constantinople
                AustroHungarians win, taking Constantinople from British, taking Mesopotamia from Germans with 18 artilleries, 24 fighters, 70 infantry and 5 tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allied: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - AustroHungarians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these AustroHungarians owned units to: tank = 1, tank = 1, tank = 1, tank = 1, tank = 1
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from SZ 20: 1 mines
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Ottomans to SZ 20: 1 mines
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Place Units - AustroHungarians
            1 artillery, 19 infantry and 3 tanks placed in Vienna
    
        Turn Complete - AustroHungarians
            AustroHungarians collect 76 PUs; end with 76 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    AustroHungarians regular : 0.00
    British regular : -0.50
    

  • @SuperbattleshipYamato

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 5 battleships and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Mesopotamia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_True to Mesopotamia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            12 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Sevastopol
            1 infantry moved from Galicia to Ukraine
            3 fighters moved from Galicia to Hanover
            1 infantry moved from Berlin to Hanover
            12 infantry and 3 tanks moved from Belgium to Picardy
            1 infantry and 10 tanks moved from Holland to Belgium
            1 infantry and 8 tanks moved from Kiel to Holland
            2 infantry moved from Berlin to Kiel
            1 transport moved from SZ 11 to SZ 10
    
        Combat Move - Germans
    
        Place Units - Germans
            5 battleships placed in SZ 10
            1 infantry placed in Berlin
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 62 PUs; end with 64 PUs
    

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  • @SuperbattleshipYamato said in TGC (CP) vs Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob, with RR rule, Game 3:

    @The_Good_Captain

    It’s not just this game, I play almost all my games to victory conditions.

    I still enjoy these games, even if the end is sometimes quite exhausting. It’s just a somewhat irrational desire to play to the very end.

    I guess I got a little over the top with “humiliated”. It’s just sad to see my guys get defeated. Sort of how I guess those generals back in the day felt when they were losing.

    I would like to still play.

    I think you’re right that it’s much harder to defeat the Allies. I saw that when Tamer of Beasts beat you as the Allies he only did it in 10 turns. A number that shocked me when our games go past 12 turns, and in this case, 20.

    Yeah, in Tamers game, I extended a concession on turn 5 because things were going so badly everywhere. However, I wanted to play out a few more turns just to be sure and Tamer obliged.


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Dang. Sure hope he doesn’t crush me in my game with him.


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - French
            French buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - French
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 25 to 22
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United States of America: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from SZ 1: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to SZ 1: 1 cruiser
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United States of America: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United States of America: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United States of America: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 22 to 21
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14
            1 transport moved from SZ 14 to SZ 1
    
        Combat Move - French
    
        Place Units - French
            3 infantry placed in Paris
    
        Turn Complete - French
            French collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - British
            British buy 3 battleships; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            3 units repaired.
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tank moved from India to Persia
            16 artilleries, 1 infantry and 13 tanks moved from Ankara to Mesopotamia
            7 artilleries, 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tanks moved from Mesopotamia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from British East Africa to German East Africa
                  British take German East Africa from Germans
            1 cruiser moved from SZ 23 to SZ 7
            1 artillery moved from Belgian Congo to German East Africa
            1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to French Equatorial Africa
                  French take French Equatorial Africa from AustroHungarians
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Mesopotamia
                British attack with 16 artilleries, 3 infantry and 13 tanks
                    British roll dice for 16 artilleries, 3 infantry and 13 tanks in Mesopotamia, round 2 : 15/32 hits, 16.00 expected hits
                    Ottomans roll dice for 1 infantry in Mesopotamia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Mesopotamia
                British win, taking Mesopotamia from Ottomans with 16 artilleries, 3 infantry and 13 tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Mesopotamia: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Persia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Mesopotamia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Mesopotamia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Persia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            4 battleships and 1 submarine moved from SZ 8 to SZ 9
    
        Place Units - British
            3 battleships placed in SZ 9
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 42 PUs; end with 44 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Ottomans regular : -0.50
    British regular : -1.00
    

  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - Ottomans
            Ottomans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Turn Complete - Ottomans
            Ottomans collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Puchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Portugal
                  Americans take Portugal from AustroHungarians
            4 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            8 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to SZ 14
            8 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Portugal
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            2 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14
            2 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Portugal
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to Algeria
            2 battleships moved from SZ 16 to SZ 7
            1 battleship moved from SZ 7 to SZ 9
            1 cruiser moved from SZ 1 to SZ 8
            2 infantry moved from Togoland to Nigeria
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Nigeria
                Americans attack with 2 infantry
                AustroHungarians defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Nigeria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 infantry in Nigeria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Nigeria
                AustroHungarians and Americans reach a stalemate
                . Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Americans attack with 4 infantry
                AustroHungarians defend with 2 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 4 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    AustroHungarians roll dice for 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Tunisia
                AustroHungarians and Americans reach a stalemate
                . Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 transport moved from SZ 23 to SZ 13
    
        Place Units - Americans
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser placed in SZ 1
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Americans regular : -1.00
    AustroHungarians regular : 1.50
    

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