L22 BM elche (Axis) vs FlyingBadger (Allies+23) #2

FlyingBadger

@elche What I did as Axis in our first game was a clear cut Vichy triggering. What you’ve done in this game is a clear cut non-Vichy game. So I think we are good.

elche

I think after your moves with usa and uk is essential for me to conquer Southern France. But I dont know that france can attack italia and Netherlands. But hope to conquer .back. And there was only 1 inf I can get with italia in the non combat move. Tunesien ? Is this right ?

elche

Thanks for your help. Its okay because the battle of france wasnt good for me so I did not have 3 inf to conquer N/B.
Next game I know the rules and will try to conquer both France and N/B, because of the french fleet.

elche

I think my question was not good. I wrote and the ships are away. but wanted to say, away in other sz. In our game sz91. So the ships still yours although I would not conquer SF in R2 ?

FlyingBadger

@elche said in L22 BM elche (Axis) vs FlyingBadger (Allies+23) #2:

I think after your moves with usa and uk is essential for me to conquer Southern France.

Yes, I think in this situation the best move is to just straight up take all of France. It keeps the French territories as French, so I don’t get the IPCs from them. I’ve also covered some of the French territories with Allied units so they wouldn’t get turned pro-Axis neutral anyway.

But I dont know that france can attack italia and Netherlands. But hope to conquer back. And there was only 1 inf I can get with italia in the non combat move. Tunesien ? Is this right?

If Germany takes Normandy and Paris on round 1, then Vichy won’t have triggered by the Italian turn, so the French territories won’t be pro-Axis yet, that happens at the start of the French turn. On the Italian turn on round 2 they could start collecting formerly French pro-Axis territories during non-combat. So the Italians can fight the French if they want to, but those units and territories will be pro-Axis neutral before the French get to attack/move.

FlyingBadger

@elche said in L22 BM elche (Axis) vs FlyingBadger (Allies+23) #2:

I think my question was not good. I wrote and the ships are away. but wanted to say, away in other sz. In our game sz91. So the ships still yours although I would not conquer SF in R2 ?

Yes, that’s my interpretation, but I can’t find a definitive answer on the forums. Fortunately it’s not a factor in this game :relieved:. I think I will pose the question on the BM topic as it might be useful to know for future reference.

FlyingBadger

@elche

We are not the only ones who have been confused by this…
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/27451/g40-balance-mod-rules-and-download/35

Apparently, the Axis do get the benefit of the naval base at Southern France when it is pro-Axis.
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/27451/g40-balance-mod-rules-and-download/322

FlyingBadger

@elche

Okay, found an answer from one of the authors of BM:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/27121/g40-balance-mod-feedback-thread/59?_=1645786437425

any french ships in sz 93 turn vichy whenever the vichy event occurs. if the ships move out before that time, they stay free french.

Ever day is a learning day.

elche

Thank you very much. I only read once the notes in the game but its so much difference to the old rules, I dont remember all and I have to look the notes… Russia 38059_2ger.tsvg